Weimar, Life on the edge of catastophe

No, I don't think we would necessarily be active Nazis.
Just trying to not draw attention to ourselves.
Would we have been brave enough to hide some of our Jewish neighbours, to keep them from harm.
Some ordinarily folk were.
Would we have been brave enough to speak out like the White Rose Sophie?
You have to be in that situation before you know for certain.

Apparently it began slowly. So slowly, the ordinary folk were not aware.
No social media, to point things out.
Too busy trying to make do for their own families, during a worldwide depression.

Galaxy

Because we all in our own little heads think we would be the freedom fighters, in fact it is more than likely that placed in the sane circumstances we would have been one of the nazis.

Yes, most of would have been one of the Nazis... and would be again.

twaddle

I agree with you, foxie. It begs the question how so many right minded Germans (and others) let the atrocities happen...and could it happen again?

That's why I thought the book was worth listening to. It does help to explain how ordinary people get used to accepting things that would to most of us seem completely unacceptable. Propaganda was used very effectively to influence people which is why, with social media providing so much of people's information, we need to be particularly aware of foreign and malign forces being used to manipulate British politics.

Because we all in our own little heads think we would be the freedom fighters, in fact it is more than likely that placed in the sane circumstances we would have been one of the nazis.

I agree with you, foxie. It begs the question how so many right minded Germans (and others) let the atrocities happen...and could it happen again?

Surely hatred of other people is totally wrong wherever or at whosoever it is directed? Hatred of Jews is IMO no different to hatred of Muslims, the oppression of Palestinians is no different to the oppression of Uyghurs or any other ethnic group, genocide is always wrong wherever it happens. There's no hierarchy of pain and suffering as we are all humans with similar feelings. I don't care if an oppressive state is fascist or totalitarian, on the right or the left, has a dictator or an organised repressive regime, they are all wrong and every right minded person should be able to recognise that.

undines

Seems to me an awful lot of hatred comes from the so-called liberal left, towards anyone who does not share their views. Seems to me we could also do with a documentary on the rise of communism. Stalin killed more people than Hitler.

Are you suggesting people should support Hitler's views and actions?

This seems like a distraction from the point of the OP. The book is about the circumstances leading up to the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany.

Oreo

twaddle

Oreo

foxie48
The other day you seemed very keen on explaining to us all how chanting ‘globalise the intifada’ was quite alright, even tho the government and police view it as wrong and arrest anyone who’s chanting or carrying a placard ( at least in theory as very few seem to be arrested.) Why do they view it that way and you do not?
The reason they view it as wrong is that it not only inflames the situation but acts as a catalyst for insults and attacks on Jews.
You know, the Jews who live here.
The Muslim population of the UK is now very large and the Jewish population is small. It doesn’t take much for the blame on any ills is blamed on us.

Who's blaming ills on you? Frankly, that seems a tad paranoid.

Yes, the notional Muslim population is larger than the Jewish population, but there's no need to see them all as "enemies". people don't spend their lives engaging in tribal warfare.

There are good and bad Muslims and Jews everywhere - just as there are good and bad people of any or no faith - and a heck of a lot of people who are a mix of bad and good and are called humans.

A tad paranoid…..hmmm perhaps you have missed the attacks on Jews.

No, I haven't missed any attacks. What I have apparently missed (according to you) is blaming Jews for any ills.

Galaxy

Er Stalin was left wing.

Really?

He might have defined himself as "left wing" ie communist, but he most certainly wasn't liberal in any way.

Was Stalin 'liberal'?
Liberal was part of the description upthread.
Stalin used the system he inherited, to his own advantage.
Do you think Stalin was 'liberal'?

Er Stalin was left wing.

Stalin...liberal left?
Nope.
Genocidal dictator.
Not anyone's definition of liberal.

undines

Seems to me an awful lot of hatred comes from the so-called liberal left, towards anyone who does not share their views. Seems to me we could also do with a documentary on the rise of communism. Stalin killed more people than Hitler.

The hatred in 1930s Germany didn't come from the liberal left. Maybe you should listen to the programmes. Even if Stalin was responsible for more deaths than Hitler (which is debatable) the 6 million Jews (and others) whom Hitler killed shouldn't ever be forgotten. It's important that people understand the background to the holocaust. Germany was a civilised country, so the question is how did the people allow such atrocities to happen ... and could it happen again?

silverlining48

Yes I have been listening to it. It is worth a listen and would certainly be a lesson learned.

Me too.
Thoroughly enjoying this and learning a lot also.

Seems to me an awful lot of hatred comes from the so-called liberal left, towards anyone who does not share their views. Seems to me we could also do with a documentary on the rise of communism. Stalin killed more people than Hitler.

Is it a long listen?
Just working out when to fit it in.

Intifada means struggle. It has been used by the Palestinians to mean violent overthrow. There may be some who agree with that but it is disingenuous to think/say that globalise the intifada just means supporting the Palestinians in their struggle against oppression. The evidence is that it has led to terrorist attacks against Jews who cannot control or influence the Israeli government.

I found it fascinating, so well researched, written and read. I was tempted to buy the book on audible, but it's a different reader and not as good (IMHO)

Thanks twadle, will have a go.

Maremia

I haven't been following it, foxie.
Hope it's not too late to catch up.
Thanks for letting us know about it.

It's on BBC Sounds and you can start at the beginning. I don't know how long it will be there.

I haven't been following it, foxie.
Hope it's not too late to catch up.
Thanks for letting us know about it.

It’s ironic that on a thread about the rise of the Nazi Party there is so little thought for Jews everywhere.

It’s asking the rest of the world to hate Jews and oppose the very being of the State of Israel.

Exactly foxie48 and as I have just said, you concluded there was nothing wrong with it.
The government and police take a different view thank goodness.
It’s beyond naive of you to think it’s a harmless chant.