Shooting at a Mosque in San Diego

Indeed, Valdavi, my understanding is that the majority of deaths of young children are due to accidental discharges, sometimes by siblings or visiting children.
I think most parents could see that small child + loaded gun might = a potential danger

Cars and vans and knives seem to be the favoured weapons of fanatics here and in Europe. What do we do about that?

Oreo

And will continue to be squished as it’s a big turn off to a lot of voters there.
Were the two teenage perpetrators white supremacists? They also fired shots at a firm ( maybe they had worked at, or didn’t like for some reason) before they shot themselves.
So many teenagers are now influenced by what they read online it’s a tragedy for the victims, themselves and all the families involved.
But if guns weren’t so available it would be harder to carry out these kinds of killings.

Were they? I don’t think it’s really a question since their affiliations and online activity answer speak for themselves. For most, the swastikas and the hate chats remove all doubt about whether the little monsters were white supremacists. Given that this info was as heavily reported in the coverage of the attack, would this be a question if the victims were Jewish?

As we have seen here in the UK, if people set out with murderous intent, they don't need a gun to kill.
Any weapon will do.
People kill - using guns, knives, poison, their bare hands.
It's terribly sad and worrying.
Will the human race ever live in harmony?

And will continue to be squished as it’s a big turn off to a lot of voters there.
Were the two teenage perpetrators white supremacists? They also fired shots at a firm ( maybe they had worked at, or didn’t like for some reason) before they shot themselves.
So many teenagers are now influenced by what they read online it’s a tragedy for the victims, themselves and all the families involved.
But if guns weren’t so available it would be harder to carry out these kinds of killings.

Maremia

Google suggests that the Democrats favour a change in the laws on gun control.

And generally always have. It was one of Obama's big aims that was squished.

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I think focusing on the guns alone while conspicuously leaving out the bigoted, hateful motivations of the savages who carried out these murders misses the mark and seems intentional .

We are talking about a mass shooting specifically targeting Muslims and people of colour by white supremacists. Glossing over that fact is problematic in and of itself. The US has a bigotry problem and the existence of widely available gun ownership, ghastly as it is, is not the central issue here. Guns are part of the problem, but not the main one. Neo-nazis and white supremacists in that country have used actual bombs before. A New York area man was caught trying to poison Black and Jewish children. Muslims are among the top groups targeted for hate speech and threats. In all recent cases there is an extensive trail of evidence of online extremism influencing violent acts. This administration has emboldened and stoked the flames of prejudice and hatred in the US and they know it.

My SIL lives in the US she was in a business conference meeting of around 30 - all women, they were away from home discussing law and order. The question was asked who is "carrying" (a gun), all but 4! .

If the threat of harm is so great that so many women feel the need to carry a gun what hope is there of any change.

Chocolatelovinggran

Is it not true that gunshot is the major cause of death for young children in the USA?

There must be some accidental deaths, with the level of gun ownership USA have, the inquisitiveness of children & the lethal nature of gunshot.

Google suggests that the Democrats favour a change in the laws on gun control.

It’s for the US to decide on the gun question, as no matter what happens there in the many shooting incidents most people still want a gun as their right.
Each State has different gun laws, open carry, concealed carry and so on and a great deal of households keep a gun for home defence.
It’s hard for us here to understand as it’s never been our custom, thankfully.

Fallingstar

I watch a fair few real crime programmes from the US and there is a whole different mindset with many Americans, who see owning a gun as a deterrent in much the same way that we might look at getting a doorbell with a camera. Is amazing how many families have multiple weapons lying around the home and in the car. Quite often is another relative or burglar who will steal said guns in order to commit a crime, and there are many committed by minors under the age of 16 who take their parent’s or older sibling’s gun.
I really don’t think it is a suitable deterrent when so many times a perp will take the home owners weapon and use it against them.

I feel the same way about this as I do about nuclear weapons!

Is it not true that gunshot is the major cause of death for young children in the USA?

I watch a fair few real crime programmes from the US and there is a whole different mindset with many Americans, who see owning a gun as a deterrent in much the same way that we might look at getting a doorbell with a camera. Is amazing how many families have multiple weapons lying around the home and in the car. Quite often is another relative or burglar who will steal said guns in order to commit a crime, and there are many committed by minors under the age of 16 who take their parent’s or older sibling’s gun.
I really don’t think it is a suitable deterrent when so many times a perp will take the home owners weapon and use it against them.

It's all so sad and so preventable. When you allow almost anyone to own a gun this will keep happening.
People going about their daily lives not harming anyone and they are murdered.
Thoughts with the families of the victims.

They seem very strong on that one.

Fartooold

Why oh why do we need guns! Guns are for killing! America should ban them.

They won't.

It would need the change to their Constitution, the Second Amendment, and would probably never be passed.
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

BlessedArt

I fear for my grandchildren in the US. Mass shootings/domestic terrorism is such a regular occurrence that they literally happen in the hundreds annually. Think about that. Think about how insane that is. God bless those poor people victimized by such a hateful violent culture.

I have recently been reading Martin Chuzzlewit by Charles Dickens, which he wrote in the 1840s. He felt quite strongly about American culture at the time and "satirised" it. However, many aspects are very recognisable in real life even today. I was especially surprised to learn that at that time, almost 200 years ago, it was quite acceptable for city folk to carry concealed weapons - revolvers and swordsticks.

BlessedArt

Don’t hold your breath for Trump and his ilk to say something. They bomb schools of little girls and practically brag about it. They do not care for the lives of black/brown or Muslim people and they are literally legislating their hatred in that country.

These evil young men had access to guns because the people who support Trump want easy access to guns for the very same sickos who carry out the vast majority of these mass shootings. They highlight those that are not politically aligned with them and lie about the ones that are. Guns are like religion itself in the US. The subscribers to gun culture and Trumpers will no doubt use this incident, as they have many others, to justify the need for guns.

I just don’t see how Trump can use this incident to justify guns, it’s not as if police with guns stopped or halted this event, it appears, according to the reports, the two responsible returned to their car and then shot themselves?

I fear for my grandchildren in the US. Mass shootings/domestic terrorism is such a regular occurrence that they literally happen in the hundreds annually. Think about that. Think about how insane that is. God bless those poor people victimized by such a hateful violent culture.

Don’t hold your breath for Trump and his ilk to say something. They bomb schools of little girls and practically brag about it. They do not care for the lives of black/brown or Muslim people and they are literally legislating their hatred in that country.

These evil young men had access to guns because the people who support Trump want easy access to guns for the very same sickos who carry out the vast majority of these mass shootings. They highlight those that are not politically aligned with them and lie about the ones that are. Guns are like religion itself in the US. The subscribers to gun culture and Trumpers will no doubt use this incident, as they have many others, to justify the need for guns.

LizzieDrip

The authorities in San Diego are referring to the shooting as an Islamophobic hate crime.

So sad.

It is terribly sad, as is any hate attack such as this on any particular cohort or group of people.

It’s horrific and unacceptable and how ever many times it happens in any country it will make me feel extremely sad.

The authorities in San Diego are referring to the shooting as an Islamophobic hate crime.

So sad.