If you are middle class and educated and live in a naive town. You might be inhabiting the same spaces as TR
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Just seen in the news that the Met re deploying 4,000 extra police officers in London tomorrow, including armoured vehicles on standby.
If they are that concerned why havenât they taken action to stop these marches or made them into standing rallyâs in contained areas?
Our beautiful capital city once more rendered a no go zone.
Added into the mix itâs also the F A Cup final at Wembley Stadium.
All in the week when London has been named the number one city in the world for culture đ€Šââïž
If you are middle class and educated and live in a naive town. You might be inhabiting the same spaces as TR
Because very few of them are practising Christians I imagine
Little Stephen in his big posh house in his middle class commuter village and his little white bmw hairdressers cars. Flying out to Spain or wherever, thinking no one knows where he livesâŠRightmove shows shh discrete move
He instils violence but heâs a frightened little man
LizzieDrip I just wish people would be honest. All this rubbish about feeling threatened and scared is a smokescreen designed to justify something that they deep down know is wrong. What brings us together as members of the human species is far more than our differences. I have great neighbours. Do I like everything about them? Do we share the same culture? Would we disagree about religion? Do we all have the same view of what makes us British? Absolutely not but we are all white and born British. This idea of a British culture is totally ridiculous. Do I share the same culture as Tommy Robinson? Absolutely not, I share more with my Dentist who is a Sikh and more with my GP who is Muslim. The answer to our problems is not being anti-immigration it is being pro good public services and living in a fairer society that serves everyone regardless of colour, religion or gender and ensures everyone plays and pays their dues rather than finding a group of people to demonise.
Thank you Wyllow. I don't get that interpretation from Yaxley Lennon and his followers.
Its actually properly translated, Maremia
As "Faith, Hope and Love" (ie. compassionate love)
Your quote is from Corinthians 13.1. Its worth looking up the whole of that passage, and I'm actually going to quote it here, but if you don't want to read the whole thing, look at tha last stanza:
If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face.
Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love
My word.
What unpleasant comments.
No they do NOT have Christian Values - unless you support the likes of the US far right Christians.
"Far-right Christian values in the US center around Christian nationalism, the belief that America is divinely ordained and its laws and institutions should be explicitly rooted in conservative Christian principles. This movement merges religious identity with political power, advocating for the following core stances:
Separation of Church and State: Far-right Christian groups actively seek to dismantle the separation of church and state, arguing that Christian principles should form the primary basis of US governance and law
Social and Moral Policies: The movement strongly opposes LGBTQ+ rights, secularism, biological evolution in public education, and abortion. Many within this sphere favor traditional, patriarchal family structures and oppose progressive societal changes.
Cultural Homogeneity: The movement frequently correlates "true American" identity with being Christian and white, harboring deep anxieties over the country's demographic decline and multiculturalism.
Political Influence: Far-right Christian organizations and associated political figures hold significant sway, utilizing think tanks, legal advocacy, and grassroots mobilization to enact their agenda.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right
They are the equivalent of a total Sharia Law state.
Christian crosses?
Do they have Christian values?
Love thy neighbour?
Faith, Hope and Charity, and the greatest of these is Charity?
I saw a clip of march members collecting crosses (not crucifixes, they depict Christ crucified on them, these were plain) and it made me think of the klu klux klan, which was a bit shivery.. Though the Robinson marchers didn't actually burn their crosses like the klan did.
According to the website I looked (to be absolutely sure that I was remembering klan images accurately) one of the purposes of the crosses was
It asserts Anglo-Saxon Protestant racial identity while opposing multiple minority groups.
That has set me wondering...
Cossy
USA USA USA chanted Yaxley Lennin from the podium, encouraging the crowd to cheer at an image of Trump.
That's not how you 'reclaim' your country, is it?
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Itâs very weird isnât it foxie48.
Even weirder when they tie themselves in knots trying to make out thatâs itâs something other than âI donât like difference (particularly skin colour)â.
At least Yaxley-Lennon is open about his racism and hatred of anyone âdifferentâ. He doesnât try to pretend heâs anything other than a vile, disgusting racist!
"Many people are worried about their countryâs identity, they feel threatened, scared even. So they look for something - someone - anyone - who will listen to them & not brush them off as racist bigots."
What I struggle to understand is exactly what these people are scared of and why they feel threatened. Is it the doctor or nurse that helps them when they are ill? Is it the teacher or university professor? Is it the refuse collector or shop keeper? Perhaps the accountant or train driver? As far as I know, people who might be identified as an immigrant don't go round with a sign round their neck saying "born British", "given settled status" "on a work or student visa" "waiting for asylum to be granted" or "arrived by small boat" so how do these people know who to be scared of and threatened by? Is it that they are scared and threatened by everyone that looks as if they might be an "illegal immigrant"? As there are virtually no "legal" ways of claiming asylum in the UK thanks to the last government and the number of people arriving by small boat since 2018 is 200K, doesn't this seem like a completely irrational response or is it that these people just don't like people who are different to them in some way? I'd really like to understand why someone with a different coloured skin, possibly a different religion or no religion and who may have a different culture is a threat.
Iâm off now for the night, I like to say goodnight to each and everyone of you and please do just remember some people on our wonderful site might actually be in minority groups themselves, be migrants or asylum seekers, or members of our Jewish, Sikh and Muslim communities. 
Are you surprised? Iâm not. But apparently thatâs ok because people are fed up and no one is listening to them!
Iâm not in the slightest bit surprised either Cossy.
The people who attend and support the Yaxley-Lennon rallies know exactly what the agenda is ⊠even if they pretend otherwise.
Anyway, rally goers, remember ⊠âKeep hydratedâ!
It's quite a leap from "fed up with the state of the country" to waving a flag and a crucifix and admiring a racist.
Primrose53
To those who ask why people support TR - do you seriously think that all the thousands of people marching support him? It was a march to show their displeasure and unhappiness about how our country is heading and also their disapproval of Starmer.
As I said in my earlier post there were people of all colours and creeds, Mums, Grandparents, Fathers, Businessmen, Farmers, jobless people, professional people, old and young alike. Just ordinary middle of the road people and not at all âfar rightâ as the Left like to call them. They are the ones causing division by calling people offensive names and trying to ridicule people who do not share their views.
A massive cross section of people and many were interviewed on TV and said they were just fed up with the state of the country. If I could have gone those would be my reasons for attending too. Nothing to do with TR at all and I personally know many people who feel the same.
But by doing so theyâre showing their support of Robinson and everything he stands for. Eg you wouldnât have gone on a CND march and not be opposed to nuclear weapons would you. The man is a racist misogynist from what Iâve heard about him (happy to be corrected on this). If anyone has something positive to say about him please tell me what it is. And whoâs financing him?
Furthermore Kandisky I do not understand discrimination, simply that, discrimination is something that is beyond the ken, imo, and should be for any decent person.
Fear normally stems from ignorance, fear can easily ignited by those wishing to be divisive and itâs how Reform have gathered so much support from so many people.
I want people to stop crossing the channel in small boats just as much as others do, itâs dangerous, traffickers make ÂŁÂŁÂŁÂŁÂŁ out of these perilous journeys, some asylum seekers die, some disappear into our black economy and end up involved in modern slavery, some claim asylum and are refused, the rest, who are accepted, in the main, gain employment and live peacefully.
Instead of viewing this situation from all angles, bearing in mind AS make up 1% of our overall population, both the media and people like YL would rather fan the fires of these peopleâs fears, this isnât listening, itâs using groups of vulnerable disenchanted fed up people to further your own cases, exactly as Farage and Reform do.
And youâre telling me I donât listen and donât understand??
Kandinsky
Cossy
You need to calm down a bit, I never said you call people racist bigots ( read my post properly )
I said people like you donât take their worries & concerns seriously.
If you do, great! My apologies. But then surely if you understand youâll understand why these people go on marches to get their feelings heard.
We have finally agreed on something.
Iâve never once stated that I donât under their feelings about their own situations, not even once on here.
Iâve stated very clearly that I donât understand how people would want to march under the banner of YL, however much they feel he is listening to them!
Cossy
You need to calm down a bit, I never said you call people racist bigots ( read my post properly )
I said people like you donât take their worries & concerns seriously.
If you do, great! My apologies. But then surely if you understand youâll understand why these people go on marches to get their feelings heard.
We have finally agreed on something.
LizzieDrip
Disgusting video online of Muslim women being mocked and ridiculed at yesterdayâs Yaxley-Lennon ralley.
Are you surprised? Iâm not. But apparently thatâs ok because people are fed up and no one is listening to them!
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Sorry pressed enter too soon,
If you could explain what you mean by âtheir country losing its identityâ, I might be able to both understand and respond?
Kandinsky
Cossy
Just because you have no problem with how things are in certain communities that doesnât mean itâs the same for everyone - this is what you will never get.
Many people are worried about their countryâs identity, they feel threatened, scared even. So they look for something - someone - anyone - who will listen to them & not brush them off as racist bigots. Granted, some might be, but the vast majority arenât, theyâre just ordinary people who arenât happy with whatâs happening in their country.
So they turn to someone who is listening, who will speak for them, even if that person is Tommy Robinson, because everyone else is ignoring them - including you.
How dare you state Iâve ever called anyone on here a âracial bigotâ.
Havenât, and never would.
I understand only too well, because I donât live in a bubble, that people are disenchanted, disenfranchised, feel overlooked and are frustrated.
Many of us from very different areas, backgrounds and political persuasion feel this way too.
Iâm a centralist, just left of centre, and actually very balanced in both my views and beliefs.
Please explain to me exactly what you mean by
Disgusting video online of Muslim women being mocked and ridiculed at yesterdayâs Yaxley-Lennon ralley.
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