So it begins….. Streeting resigns

Cardamom

Burnham has been a fantastic mayor for Manchester; he's transformed what was once a dirty, neglected city, stuck in the 1960s, to a vibrant, modern hub with a huge cultural development, beautiful buildings, and a fast, cheap transport system. Manchester is now a very young, modern, sleek place to live, work and visit. Much as I admire his successes in Manchester, I have my doubts that he can transfer those skills nationally.

Where did the money come from?

Are Streeting and Burnham working together.

midgey

I wonder if they have any idea of how angry their behaviour makes the country. It’s also sad as Streeting was doing a good job of the NHS.

Depends on whether you’ve seen any benefit.
Shorter waiting lists? Is 18 months just for an appointment to get a referral short?
Is being triaged from pillar to post an improvement, so you end up going to A&E and waiting . . .

I don't know where she is popular?

Not here, it will be Burnham in my constituency L Party. it was discussed before any my MP I know was rooting for him months ago.

That's what I'm thinking too valdali; not all skills are transferable. But, if push comes to shove, I'd rather have Burnham than Rayner. She's deeply unpopular in these parts.

Cardamom

Burnham has been a fantastic mayor for Manchester; he's transformed what was once a dirty, neglected city, stuck in the 1960s, to a vibrant, modern hub with a huge cultural development, beautiful buildings, and a fast, cheap transport system. Manchester is now a very young, modern, sleek place to live, work and visit. Much as I admire his successes in Manchester, I have my doubts that he can transfer those skills nationally.

Boris was (although always Marmite) quite a success as major of London. (I did live there then) Pretty awful PM though...

Hmmm. Let's not catastrophise. a period of uncertainty is better than seizing on a figure like Liz Truss turned out to be in the need for speed.

Thats what the press is encouraging and delighting in whilst some eagerly gather round the popcorn cheering on for the most dramatic outcome.

We don't know what going on in the inner circles and are not likely to find out easily however much speculation there is, for a candidate's election doesn't always throw up that which is predictable and currently much will be uncertain for the actors in the drama itself.

Burnham has been a fantastic mayor for Manchester; he's transformed what was once a dirty, neglected city, stuck in the 1960s, to a vibrant, modern hub with a huge cultural development, beautiful buildings, and a fast, cheap transport system. Manchester is now a very young, modern, sleek place to live, work and visit. Much as I admire his successes in Manchester, I have my doubts that he can transfer those skills nationally.

It's an absolute mess. It would have been preferable if Starmer had stood down. The electorate just don't like him and that's not going to change.

Now we're stuck with the chaos he claimed he wanted to avoid.

Burnham cannot be totally confident to win. Maybe the Tories won't stand in order to help Reform. And if Burnham doesn't win, then what?

I’m a true blue Conservative,but I am saddened by the state of affairs.The Labour Party should have soldiered on.Reform will only lose if the others stand firm.

Allira

Well, we certainly didn't expect this nearly two years ago when we were glad to see the back of the Tories, were we!

Be careful what you wish for.

Indeed ☹️😢

Well, we certainly didn't expect this nearly two years ago when we were glad to see the back of the Tories, were we!

Be careful what you wish for.

MayBee70

I’ve just watched season two of The Last of Us. Going to watch episode three of Half Man tonight. I’m afraid that my escapism only encompasses things that are even more depressing than current events. At some point I hope to move on to Amandaland or Only Child but I’m not ready for anything that might involve laughing.

I am going to binge the second season of Rivals which starts tomorrow.

Not highbrow, but I don’t care…

fallingstar I cannot use the words I really want to, but it really is a blinking flipping nightmare of a blooming mess!

Cossy

Oooh I’ve just read that Starmer not not try and block Burnham’s bid to become an MP.

I hope Burnham will be satisfied when 1) he fails to take the seat and 2) A reform Mayor is appointed in Manchester 😱😱😱🙈🙈🙈

Yep it could very well be as you say. Nothing in politics can be assured. They are gambling with the electorate.

Oooh I’ve just read that Starmer not not try and block Burnham’s bid to become an MP.

I hope Burnham will be satisfied when 1) he fails to take the seat and 2) A reform Mayor is appointed in Manchester 😱😱😱🙈🙈🙈

I just wonder - what next?
Whoever succeeds Starmer will face the same uphill battle, and when he/she can’t deliver as soon as the electorate demand it, will there be another leadership battle?
And when another party win at the next election, inheriting the same poisoned chalice, will that leader face the same skullduggery.
It feels as if we are standing on shifting sands. There is no consistency, and am not sure what is to blame, the media, interfering outside agencies trying to manipulate our politics, or electorate fatigue, but is a malaise that is damaging this country beyond repair imho.

winterwhite

Cld I gently suggest that those who can’t stand the heat leave this kitchen for a bit instead of disrupting the thread with their alternative activities?

>>> I have a genuine question. Commentators seem to imply that the Makerfield by-election and hopes for Burnham put Streeting out of the picture. Could he not call on his 81 supporters and accelerate the process at any point?

Has Streeting actually put himself out there and called a leadership contest (or whatever the process is) Sorry been in the car driving for last 1.5 hours and wondering if I’ve missed a big announcement?

MayBee70

I’ve just watched season two of The Last of Us. Going to watch episode three of Half Man tonight. I’m afraid that my escapism only encompasses things that are even more depressing than current events. At some point I hope to move on to Amandaland or Only Child but I’m not ready for anything that might involve laughing.

Just watching the programme about fly tipping if you want misery ..... and to 🤬

Don't watch Amandaland if you don't feel like laughing 😂

Cld I gently suggest that those who can’t stand the heat leave this kitchen for a bit instead of disrupting the thread with their alternative activities?

>>> I have a genuine question. Commentators seem to imply that the Makerfield by-election and hopes for Burnham put Streeting out of the picture. Could he not call on his 81 supporters and accelerate the process at any point?

Rosie51

I'd be right there with you Cossy. Isn't that just the saddest part, we had years of the Conservatives tearing themselves apart to the point of destruction, and in less than 2 years Labour are following suit. Will they never learn?

It’s seems not!

Cardamom

Labour have turned out to be as self serving, tawdry and back stabbing as the Tories ever were. More interested in securing their own careers than what's best for the country. After living through 14 years of the lies, sniping and in-party politics from the Tories, I'd really hoped that Labour would be different; really meant it when they spoke about being a mission-driven government and pledged to clean up politics by ensuring the "highest standards of integrity and honesty" and strengthening ethics in public life. It was all lies; they're no bloody different.

I’m sad to say I agree

Luckygirl3 said:

"I think if I were a resident of Manchester I would feel let down."
I am, and I do.

Yup me too. I listen a lot now to Radio3 unwind, as well as R3 ....rather into Baroque music big time atm and expressive gentle classics and choral music (R3 Unwind has also a gentle deliberate relaxing ambiance).

Also I have a U tube subscription and I spent all yesterday evening once I'd watched the 6pm news..

....letting it run through favourites (But remembers what you like, then chooses.

psst.

I realise this is completely and utterly off thread but I wish gransnet would take us into the world of classical music more

I’ve just watched season two of The Last of Us. Going to watch episode three of Half Man tonight. I’m afraid that my escapism only encompasses things that are even more depressing than current events. At some point I hope to move on to Amandaland or Only Child but I’m not ready for anything that might involve laughing.