Starmer’s Speech today.

I actually feel sorry for him, he needs to stay as our PM. The last thing we need is another change. all these changes and chaos isn’t doing our country any good.
He’s had the warning, now let him get on with it and see where we are in 2 years.

The media engineering his downfall...absolutely.

I think it’s that they don’t want to rock the Tory boat too much, because that is their fallback position. It doesn’t serve any media purpose having a go at Badenoch, when they might need to support her soon. There has been very little attention paid to the extent of the lost Tory vote nationally for that reason.

Because she is currently not in government.

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Absolutely right, twaddle. The result in Essex was not a defeat for Labour. The county council was a Tory stronghold. They lost 37 seats retaining only 13.

Even very wealthy areas such as Hutton and Danbury were won by Reform.

I’m betting it’s the same older people who turned away from the Tories in the GE. Tories have long had 66-70% of the grey vote and now it’s split between the two blue parties. You can see it in the YouGov numbers, how Reform is becoming more popular with older voters.

Even the five wards in Essex which make up most of Kemi Badenoch's constituency only returned one Conservative. If a general election were to produce similar results, she would lose her seat. She inherited a majority of 24,966 in 2017. That's a massive loss for her. How come the media don't highlight that?

The media reports that 70 or so MPs want Keir Starmer to resign but what about the other 303 Labour MPs? The media seems to be trying to engineer his downfall.
Mr Starmer and his Government have achieved some good things don't you think?--free breakfast meals for 300.000 children, scrapping the 2 child limit, the Renters Rights bill, renationalising the railways, supporting Ukraine, increasing defence spending, forging good relationships abroad to name a few.

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The one positive Labour could take from the local elections was Reform won with a promise they couldn't keep (Vote Reform - Get Starmer out).

The fact that Labour MPs with less than two years experience are actively trying to help Reform achieve this is, frankly, sickening.

Whoever Labour were to replace him with will come under the same relentless pressure that he has.

The right wing media, including the BBC, will not be happy until they see Farage in Number 10. He will be laughing his socks off at what is going on today.

I spoke to someone last year who used to work on LBC and he told me Reform would form the next government. I still can’t believe it to be true or that Labour MPs will be partly responsible for it. It’s like a nightmare. I’m watching The Last of Us season two to escape from it….( a bit of light relief…)…

You can see it in the YouGov numbers, how Reform is becoming more popular with older voters.

Proof, if ever it was needed, that getting older doesn't necessarily make us wiser. I despair.

Absolutely right, twaddle. The result in Essex was not a defeat for Labour. The county council was a Tory stronghold. They lost 37 seats retaining only 13.

Even very wealthy areas such as Hutton and Danbury were won by Reform.

I’m betting it’s the same older people who turned away from the Tories in the GE. Tories have long had 66-70% of the grey vote and now it’s split between the two blue parties. You can see it in the YouGov numbers, how Reform is becoming more popular with older voters.

Give your DH a clap ...

Allira

^Be careful what you wish for, especially as Farage has been instrumental in this.^

Even my DH who voted Lib Dem can see straight through this and thinks everyone is falling into Farage's trap. He, too, thinks Starmer is the best we have at the moment.

When in turbulent waters, it's best not to rock the boat even more!

Absolutely! Give your DH and send him round the country with a megaphone!

Oreo

People wouldn’t have been voting for Reform if they had any faith in Starmer and that’s the truth.There’s country have no faith in him and neither has most of the Labour MP’s and the Party overall.When you get into that position, no matter who you are you have to go.

They wouldn't have been voting for Reform if they'd have trusted the Conservatives. Reform has won overall control of Essex CC, where I don't think there have been more than a tiny handful of Labour councillors or MPs for years. Only Harlow has bucked the trend for some reason.

Even so, Reform hasn't replaced the Conservatives nationally in the number of MPs nor councillors. It's a shame that Boris Johnson got rid of the experienced and moderate Tories for hos own game plan.

It's going to be an interesting couple of years because I don't think the centre will stay complacent enough to watch an extreme party take over, especially one which isn't competent to do the job it's been elected to do.

I really don’t think Starmer needs Farage to destroy him. He manages all by himself.

I doubt that Streeting would be chosen, but I do like him.
Burnham could lose a by-election and therefore lose out anyway.

MayBee70

A dud who won a landslide election for the party. Isn’t Streeting in a marginal seat and could lose it next election? ( happy to be corrected on that). Some people on here have wanted Starmer out from day one. Be careful what you wish for, especially as Farage has been instrumental in this.

Streeting was run very close in 2024. Independent candidate Leanne Mohamad sought to oust him. She was one of several independents running primarily on the issue of the Gaza genocide. She reduced his majority from 5,198 to 528 making Ilford North one of the country's most marginal constituencies.

In any event, Streeting's a pal of Mandelson so the media would be just as hostile.

He blows with the wind.

I don’t think Starmer has much substance tbh.

People wouldn’t have been voting for Reform if they had any faith in Starmer and that’s the truth.There’s country have no faith in him and neither has most of the Labour MP’s and the Party overall.When you get into that position, no matter who you are you have to go.

Oreo

Depends on what Labour decide doesn’t it? I would prefer Streeting to Burnham tbh.

Streeting is charming but has no real substance for PM at this time of international crises.

Be careful what you wish for, especially as Farage has been instrumental in this.

Even my DH who voted Lib Dem can see straight through this and thinks everyone is falling into Farage's trap. He, too, thinks Starmer is the best we have at the moment.

When in turbulent waters, it's best not to rock the boat even more!

Well there you go Maybee70 blaming everyone bar Starmer really doesn’t work.
There’s no guarantee that Burnham will win a by-election in order to be in a position to be considered for PM and almost all Labour MP’s could be out of a job at the next election, not just Streeting unless Starmer is replaced pdq.

A dud who won a landslide election for the party. Isn’t Streeting in a marginal seat and could lose it next election? ( happy to be corrected on that). Some people on here have wanted Starmer out from day one. Be careful what you wish for, especially as Farage has been instrumental in this.

Staying with a dud PM isn’t helping anyone.

Depends on what Labour decide doesn’t it? I would prefer Streeting to Burnham tbh.

And who will that be?