Starmer’s Speech today.

We all are if we get a better PM.

Who is going to gain from all this disruption?

1960srelic

I'd still be sorry to see Starmer go. Can't think of anybody who could replace him on the world stage as things are at the moment - war in Ukraine, war in the Middle East, a volatile US President, etc., etc.

I agree. He at least kept us out of this illegal war.

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In which case they can cross the floor to join Farage and Labour will still have a large majority.

Aubrey Allegretti has leaked a What's App exchange including:

Natasha Irons: "Bottom line, changing leader because Nigel Farage has forced us to is not something any of us can come back from. Anyone who thinks we can needs to wake up."

If there’s a leadership contest they’ll be like rats in sack. Mind you, they pretty much are already. A local MP has joined the list calling for Starmer to resign. Our city has been allocated millions by the government to rejuvenate itself and this is the thanks the PM gets. Farage has already won.

M0nica

Graphite I consider the BBC too woke and inclined to the left of cente. The only conclusion I can come to is that it is probably entirely neutral.

I do get bored with the left wing conviction that when anything goes wrong, it is never their own fault, someone else is always to blame, stupid voters who do not understand the issues, the press is against them, the BBC is right wing, Queen Eliabeth II was a lizard and has been reincarnated to rule on behalf of David Icke.

When voters do not vote for one party or another, it is a clear indication that they do not like its policies. the average person is not a fool and can make good judgements from their own experience.

Currently the majority of the electorate seem utterly disillusioned and disappointed by the Labour government they elected in two years ago, We are nearly half way through a government term, it is too late to promise improvement, when you have done nothing much for 2 years what hope does that give us that it will be any better in the next two years?

As for those MPs resigning as PPS's, They are people who can still see that having no leader at all might be a better option than continuing to have a Prime Minster so lame he makes most lame dogs look healthy.

I agree and furthermore Starmer is the author of his own political ruin.

A few reports were commissioned( the really big one is the Social care one, but they have been looking into immigration policy too, that has recently reported & will have its day in parliament soon).
Some of these are complex questions and I don't think there's anything wrong with listening to expert opinion before legislating.
So the groundwork has been done for the biggest changes & the next 2-3 years should see those rolling out.
Of course, if we were the USA Kier could just write executive orders on a whim....
I've always found BBC pretty straight-down-the-middle, but they do seem to be moving a bit to the right, lately.

Absolutely!

In which case they can cross the floor to join Farage and Labour will still have a large majority.

Aubrey Allegretti has leaked a What's App exchange including:

Natasha Irons: "Bottom line, changing leader because Nigel Farage has forced us to is not something any of us can come back from. Anyone who thinks we can needs to wake up."

Well, good luck everyone when we’ve got a Fascist Reform government🤷‍♀️

Graphite I consider the BBC too woke and inclined to the left of cente. The only conclusion I can come to is that it is probably entirely neutral.

I do get bored with the left wing conviction that when anything goes wrong, it is never their own fault, someone else is always to blame, stupid voters who do not understand the issues, the press is against them, the BBC is right wing, Queen Eliabeth II was a lizard and has been reincarnated to rule on behalf of David Icke.

When voters do not vote for one party or another, it is a clear indication that they do not like its policies. the average person is not a fool and can make good judgements from their own experience.

Currently the majority of the electorate seem utterly disillusioned and disappointed by the Labour government they elected in two years ago, We are nearly half way through a government term, it is too late to promise improvement, when you have done nothing much for 2 years what hope does that give us that it will be any better in the next two years?

As for those MPs resigning as PPS's, They are people who can still see that having no leader at all might be a better option than continuing to have a Prime Minster so lame he makes most lame dogs look healthy.

Who the hell do they think they are!
Closet Reform Party?

Agreed Graphite.

I’ve just seen a list of the names of 60 MPs calling for the PM to resign - the majority of them are from the 2024 intake.

Absolutely sickening. Who the hell do they think they are!

The one positive Labour could take from the local elections was Reform won with a promise they couldn't keep (Vote Reform - Get Starmer out).

The fact that Labour MPs with less than two years experience are actively trying to help Reform achieve this is, frankly, sickening.

Whoever Labour were to replace him with will come under the same relentless pressure that he has.

The right wing media, including the BBC, will not be happy until they see Farage in Number 10. He will be laughing his socks off at what is going on today.

I think this is largely being driven by the relentless political media and their need for daily headlines and easy stories. They do it with both parties. Britain is a laughing stock regarding its turnover of PMs. I wish people wouldn’t be taken in by all the rubbish that the media whips up. Then the government could get on with running the country.

Cardamom

I'd have more confidence in Starmer if he ditched Rachel in Accounts; get someone in as Treasurer who knows what they're doing instead of repeatedly hiking taxes on small businesses who are then forced to make redundancies or close down. She's accelerated the high street decline single handedly. Time she was out.

We're a small business. NI increase made a negligible difference to us.
Our problem is hiring / retaining skilled people, despite hiking wages regularly. In the 25 years we've run the business, never known a shortage of people out there like there is at present.Not enough young people doing apprenticeships for the past twenty years hasn't helped - but tbh, Brexit hasn't helped either as when the HGV drivers were so scarce, the wages offered to people to join that industry drew some of our industry's workforce away.

70MPs including 5 PPS have called for Starmer to go, 20.45pm.

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Primrose53

sixandahalf

Primrose53

3 members of government resign over Starmer - Breaking News

Why are you enjoying this chaos?

Just updating what's going on.

It’s now 4 anyway.

We have access to media, you are enjoying this.

I think its frightening. More instability.

So why aren’t you updating then? It is a News and Politics Thread you know. 😉

Primrose53

sixandahalf

Primrose53

3 members of government resign over Starmer - Breaking News

Why are you enjoying this chaos?

Just updating what's going on.

It’s now 4 anyway.

We have access to media, you are enjoying this.

I think its frightening. More instability.

And as last week's election results showed, there's unlikely to be a safe seat in Manchester or even Liverpool.

These MPs from the 2024 intake resigning their PPS jobs ... (they are not resigning as MPs because they can't.)

Where were their backbones two years ago when the WPF debacle was going on?

Watching election night coverage, commentators from all parties were saying that the WFP was the issue that kept coming up again and again on the doorstep.

Labour MPs and Labour peers could have stopped that dead in its tracks by voting for Sunak's and Altmann's motions to stop the secondary legislation but they chose not to.

I believe the stalking horse has withdrawn her challenge; obviously can't get enough MPs to support her, but is asking for an orderly exit in the Autumn

I understand this is to give Andy Burnham enough time to get himself elected MP for somewhere so that he can stand in a Leadership contest.
Now would be too soon.

The housing minister has said that 90% of MPs don't want Starmer to go. They want to get on with their jobs not be spending time in finding a new leader.

And 66 MPs demand Starmer quits.

sixandahalf

Primrose53

3 members of government resign over Starmer - Breaking News

Why are you enjoying this chaos?

Just updating what's going on.

It’s now 4 anyway.

He will be gone by Wednesday at the latest.

Steel is a good start. Now we need to own our water.