Is democracy being by-passed in favour of the billionaires?

MaizieD

fancythat

twaddle

fancythat

That is what I have yet to be convinced about.

On this thread or another one, I think it was the poster foxie who I suggested started a new thread about her post.
Which may have been along the same lines?

I may have agreed with it, or some of it.
But she didnt start a new thread.

Sorry! I don't think I'm understanding you, fancythat. What do you need to be convinced about?

That Farage and Co dont represent the powerless.
You may well turn out to be right, but I am not convinced currently.

What has Farage done to help the powerless by his representations?

Well quite.
It hasnt been proved one way or the other yet.

fancythat

twaddle

fancythat

That is what I have yet to be convinced about.

On this thread or another one, I think it was the poster foxie who I suggested started a new thread about her post.
Which may have been along the same lines?

I may have agreed with it, or some of it.
But she didnt start a new thread.

Sorry! I don't think I'm understanding you, fancythat. What do you need to be convinced about?

That Farage and Co dont represent the powerless.
You may well turn out to be right, but I am not convinced currently.

What proof do you require? So far, he's done nothing. Not only that, but he doesn't even have any plans to do anything.

fancythat

twaddle

fancythat

That is what I have yet to be convinced about.

On this thread or another one, I think it was the poster foxie who I suggested started a new thread about her post.
Which may have been along the same lines?

I may have agreed with it, or some of it.
But she didnt start a new thread.

Sorry! I don't think I'm understanding you, fancythat. What do you need to be convinced about?

That Farage and Co dont represent the powerless.
You may well turn out to be right, but I am not convinced currently.

What has Farage done to help the powerless by his representations?

twaddle

fancythat

That is what I have yet to be convinced about.

On this thread or another one, I think it was the poster foxie who I suggested started a new thread about her post.
Which may have been along the same lines?

I may have agreed with it, or some of it.
But she didnt start a new thread.

Sorry! I don't think I'm understanding you, fancythat. What do you need to be convinced about?

That Farage and Co dont represent the powerless.
You may well turn out to be right, but I am not convinced currently.

petra

dayvidg

I find it telling that the two worst countries for 'political interference' appear to be the UK and the US. Both bogged down in the old left versus right ideology. Please can we have a more realistic system of government, where voting actually means something, and politicians make decisions based on the good of the country, rather than the party and their paymasters.

Once upon a time that’s what our leaders ( rightly or wrongly) would do but now we are part of a global economy.
Different world.

I don't think I understand the link between a global economy and the lack of values in politicians. The UK has been part of (in fact, it was the leader of) a global economy for hundreds of years. That's why we had an empire. Please could you explain.

Yes, the Labour Party is making it easy, but Reform wouldn't be gaining such momentum, if the Conservative Party hadn't collapsed.

Whitewavemark2

If you want to know what Reform’s policies will be, look no further than the interests of wealthy individuals and associate companies.

So of course tax cutting for large companies.

Reduced employee rights - and of course the killing of EHCR.

Extended use of the private sector in the NHS - eventually leading according to Farage to an insurance based health provision, modelled on the US health provision.

Cuts in public services - along the DOGE model.

Interestingly for those who are looking for a reduction in immigration, Farage has had very little to say about it over recent months. This may be because births in the U.K. is no longer keeping up with deaths and therefore will mean a labour shortage which can only be filled by immigration.

With regard to foreign policy - the uks governments eyes will be turned to the USA - although by 2028 the fascist Trump may well have gone and replaced by a democratic presidency, which will certainly not be in sympathy with Reform.

Expect any closer ties with Europe, on defence, trade etc to be trashed.

I’ve felt for a long time that the constant attacks on Keir Starmer are because he has worked for years to rebuild our relationship with Europe. And that the very people that were behind Brexit are the ones trying to destroy the Labour Party now ( although they are, sadly, making it easy for them).

dayvidg

I find it telling that the two worst countries for 'political interference' appear to be the UK and the US. Both bogged down in the old left versus right ideology. Please can we have a more realistic system of government, where voting actually means something, and politicians make decisions based on the good of the country, rather than the party and their paymasters.

Once upon a time that’s what our leaders ( rightly or wrongly) would do but now we are part of a global economy.
Different world.

fancythat

That is what I have yet to be convinced about.

On this thread or another one, I think it was the poster foxie who I suggested started a new thread about her post.
Which may have been along the same lines?

I may have agreed with it, or some of it.
But she didnt start a new thread.

Sorry! I don't think I'm understanding you, fancythat. What do you need to be convinced about?

exactly that twaddle

That is what I have yet to be convinced about.

On this thread or another one, I think it was the poster foxie who I suggested started a new thread about her post.
Which may have been along the same lines?

I may have agreed with it, or some of it.
But she didnt start a new thread.

fancythat

^Not sure when ordinary people will wake up and start to blame the powerful rather than the powerless. Will not happen in my lifetime certainly^

Wouldnt be so sure about that.

It has certainly taken a lot of years for voters to break out of the two party system[was beginning to think it would never happen], but once you break free of that, it opens peoples' minds to other things that are going on too. In my opinion.

But Farage & Co don't represent the powerless. They are using them to harvest votes, to be sure, but all they're doing is trying to replace one powerful group with another.

The two worst countries for political interference, the UK and the USA, were allegedly targeted by Putin.
Russian interference in BREXIT, Trump's sojourn in Russia.

This video will explain what a stinking corrupt cesspit the whole banking / finance business is

Precisely petra - the business that Farage worked in for many years before he went into politics.

A leopard doesn’t change it spots!

I find it telling that the two worst countries for 'political interference' appear to be the UK and the US. Both bogged down in the old left versus right ideology. Please can we have a more realistic system of government, where voting actually means something, and politicians make decisions based on the good of the country, rather than the party and their paymasters.

petra

Whitewavemark2

When a billionaire bankrolls a political party or politician, he always does so because he considers it to be in his interest.

There is nothing altruistic about Harbourne.

You could say the same to anyone who makes substantial donations to any party.
No such thing as a free meal where politics and money are concerned.

I think there are a few people where seeds of old-fashioned philanthropy still reside.

If I were to become mega-rich overnight (fat chance!), I would donate money to a political party on the condition that it made an effort to fight regional equality because it means a lot to me, but I'd be absolutely transparent about what I was doing.

fancythat

I think it has and is happening.

I think it is exactly what Conspiarcy Theorists have been saying.[could be wrong]. For 10 years or more.

I remember seeing a grid somewhere of the people/organisations who wield so much power because of their wealth[they are wealthier than banks]. I will find it sometime.

Ironically, it's Farage and Co who want to create the "new world order", but with him and his cronies in charge. They treat the existing hierarchies with contempt. They don't want to change that fundamental structure, but they want to change the people in charge. The "people" the "man of the people" wants to rule are mere pawns in the game. At the moment, the "people" have one valuable possession - a vote" - he couldn't care less about about any need they have.

OMG! I'm beginning to sound like a conspiracy theorist now! (Definitely been watching too much James Bond )

Not sure when ordinary people will wake up and start to blame the powerful rather than the powerless. Will not happen in my lifetime certainly

Wouldnt be so sure about that.

It has certainly taken a lot of years for voters to break out of the two party system[was beginning to think it would never happen], but once you break free of that, it opens peoples' minds to other things that are going on too. In my opinion.

AGAA4

While people are busy focusing on immigrants they are not noticing that it's the super rich who are ruining the country.

Totally agree. As would Farage’s billionaire pals who are happy to operate behind the ‘small boats’ smokescreen.
Not sure when ordinary people will wake up and start to blame the powerful rather than the powerless. Will not happen in my lifetime certainly.

This video will explain what a stinking corrupt cesspit the whole banking / finance business is.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=np_ylvc8Zj8&t=604s

Whitewavemark2

When a billionaire bankrolls a political party or politician, he always does so because he considers it to be in his interest.

There is nothing altruistic about Harbourne.

You could say the same to anyone who makes substantial donations to any party.
No such thing as a free meal where politics and money are concerned.

fancythat

I think it has and is happening.

I think it is exactly what Conspiarcy Theorists have been saying.[could be wrong]. For 10 years or more.

I remember seeing a grid somewhere of the people/organisations who wield so much power because of their wealth[they are wealthier than banks]. I will find it sometime.

I think I know what you’re alluding to, yes, there is a whole piece about “the new world order”, which has been around for a couple decades, but that talks about money disappearing altogether and a whole load of other “controls”, it’s not quite the same.

While people are busy focusing on immigrants they are not noticing that it's the super rich who are ruining the country.

I think it has and is happening.

I think it is exactly what Conspiarcy Theorists have been saying.[could be wrong]. For 10 years or more.

I remember seeing a grid somewhere of the people/organisations who wield so much power because of their wealth[they are wealthier than banks]. I will find it sometime.

fancythat

^Is democracy being by-passed in favour of the billionaires?^

Am I right in thinking this what Conspriacy Theorists have been saying for the last 10 years?

No. It's what a great many clear minded and rational people have been saying for an increasing number of years.

Our economic system is geared to rewarding wealth and by means of threatening to remove their wealth the wealthy have had power to influence legislation and taxation in their favour.