Why doesn't Starmer hold another referendum?

MaizieD

Oreo

Actually I understand why a referendum was needed on leaving the EU as there had been one to go into the EU in the first place.Why should such an important thing be just left to a political party?

There was NO vote to go into the EU. There was a vote on remaining in 1973, two years after we entered i 1971.

Oh, right thanks.
I was very young at the time and just vaguely remember talk about voting the ‘Common Market’ in or out.

Not sure that getting back into the EU will be that easy regardless of anybody who wants to reverse it. Does Europe really want us? will penalties be applied? How much will it cost us ? Anybody know about these things?

Whitewavemark2

Yes I agree it should be in the manifesto - much more democratic.

I think the Brexit referendum was one of the most divisive, unsettling and disastrous things we have ever carried out in the U.K.

I agree and you only have to travel to EU countries to see the benefits we discarded by leaving.

Maremia

Now the strange thing is, once Starmer said he was staying in post, the value of the pound rose.

Above all, the markets like stability.

RinseAndRepeat If you look at how the 2024 election would have looked had a PR system been in place, Labour would have been the biggest party, and approximately two thirds of parliamentary seats would have been occupied by MPs from left leaning parties, so there would have been a coalition excluding Reform and the Tories.

The bigger issue here is our electoral system. Starmer and his cronies conveniently ignore the fact that they got just 33.7% of the total vote. To look at it from the other end of the telescope, 66.3% of those who voted didn’t want Labour or its Manifesto. That fact came home in last week’s elections.

If we want to go back into the EU then it must be by Referendum with all the arguments and division that will bring. We shouldn’t forget that our EU friends will use an application from the UK to rejoin as a way of extracting even more money from the British purse. Last time I looked we were damn near broke.

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Cameron very quickly skedaddled after the results of the referendum.
He didn't think for a second that the vote would be for Brexit.
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I cant see the Uk having another referendum for the remainder of this Century! Literally.

I hope he achieves it. The worst thing we ever did was leave the EU. We need to be aligned with Europe.

Bang on. Because of his mousey,shy demeanour .Don't be fooled. Starmer is a very arrogant and nasty little man

Who knows what is best for you and me and our country without consulting us.

Thatcher had nothing on him.

This stance from the Labour Govt.has been taken by them ever since they got into power this time.

They don't consult their MP's any more or debate issues in Parliament.
Most of decisions are based upon what their God like Political Advisors tell them to do.

This started off in the Blair years.

Starmer does not have an ounce of Socialism in him.

Just hope when he does go.We are not landed with awful Rayner woman or Prince Charming waiting in the wings. Mr Andrew Burnham.

God help us!

Most people voted out because of EU citizens here for benefits, they have just lifted the 2 child cap so great insentive again. With a restriction to benefits I'd vote back in after voting out in 2016. Before anyone says they weren't here for benefits or they weren't entitled to benefits, I witnessed it first hand yes they were and did, obviously not all but it was a big pull factor. Can't see labour restricting anything.

Jojo1950

We had a vote. The people still feel the same.
Another referendum would be costly and not in our interests.
The vote stands.

No, the people do not feel the same?
yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54567-how-strong-is-uk-support-for-rejoining-the-european-union

We had a vote. The people still feel the same.
Another referendum would be costly and not in our interests.
The vote stands.

How is he reversing brexit? And even if he is how is it a bad thing? I'm still waiting for all the extra money for the nhs, our businesses to be booming, taking control of our boarders, giving British jobs to British people (what jobs?) and all the rest that was promised... Has any of it happened or has brexit caused far more issues than we had before?

Every time Scotland ask for referendum
The answer is no you had one.. well why does he think 🤔 he can CREEP back bit by sneaky bit 🤔 🙄

Oreo

Actually I understand why a referendum was needed on leaving the EU as there had been one to go into the EU in the first place.Why should such an important thing be just left to a political party?

There was NO vote to go into the EU. There was a vote on remaining in 1973, two years after we entered i 1971.

ronib

I don’t think Starmer is vilified as much as Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. I felt for their families…. But more importantly, my own for having to put up with rising prices, poor NHS and an uncertain future.

I disagree, the hatred for Starmer on FaceBook in particular is appalling, I never saw any posts calling for Johnson or Truss to be hanged or murdered. I believe it is the same or worse on X, I haven’t been on there since last year.

Oreo

Actually I understand why a referendum was needed on leaving the EU as there had been one to go into the EU in the first place.Why should such an important thing be just left to a political party?

Because that is why we have elections and appoint a government to govern on our behalf.

Oreo

Actually I understand why a referendum was needed on leaving the EU as there had been one to go into the EU in the first place.Why should such an important thing be just left to a political party?

The earlier refendum 1975 I think, was the first time I could vote.
This was held to ratify and secure the treaty of Rome and was clear in its intentions (I don't remember the proportion of votes necessary for it to pass) the decision had already been made by Harold Wilson's government. If the vote had been to reject the treaty then more negotiations would have taken place- so I don't think this argument holds.
Should we have had a vote on Johnson's non-deal? Maybe it would have helped but there would have been a massive boycott- the Leave supporters already detemined that Leave means Leave.
If Cameron had achieved a majority government maybe there would have been no need for a referendum, but he had promised there would be one and so decided to go with it thinking Remain would win.
We know there was Russian interference in the campaign, the Labour party were led by someone who was anti-European, and speaking from experience the Remain campaign was a shambles.
Hence the debacle and the consequences we are still dealing with.

mum2three

I know the result is not legally binding but Cameron honoured the result of the last one, and other politicians have acknowledged it. Starmer is so arrogant. He thinks he can forge ahead and reverse Brexit without consulting the British people. Jo Swinson, Anna Soubri, and various others vowed to do the same. Look what happened to them!
Starmer should at least have the courtesy to ask us how we feel. And he wonders why so many people voted Reform.

Anna left the Conservative Party because, having worked with Boris Johnson she could see how awful he was and refused to serve under him.

Oreo

Actually I understand why a referendum was needed on leaving the EU as there had been one to go into the EU in the first place.Why should such an important thing be just left to a political party?

Politics doesn't work like that. If Cameron had had any cajones, he could have fought off the criticisms, which mainly came within his own party.

Cossy

Casdon I agree. In fact I don’t even remember the stuff said for “remain”, I simply remember seeing Farage a lot, some crap from Johnson about bendy bananas, crabmeat and other edibles, and Farage’s sticking huge banners on the outside of buses about the NHS gains, oh and also very thinly veiled info re stopping migrants but not specifically EU migrants!

I don't think Farage was responsible for the banners on buses, but he was responsible for that disgusting anti-migrant Breaking Point poster.

Actually I understand why a referendum was needed on leaving the EU as there had been one to go into the EU in the first place.Why should such an important thing be just left to a political party?

Sarnia

REKA

I don't think Cameron read the country wrong. Just that at the time there were constant demands for a referendum. He didn't want to leave the EU at all. Lots of Conservatives were pro EU. Same with Labour . Some for, some against. Jeremy Corbyn was very anti EU.

The calls to leave the EU had been ongoing for decades.

As for Starmer, the longer he stays the more he's ruining the Labour Party. And his politicial opponents will be more than happy to watch him do it.

Cameron called the referendum to try to halt the rise of Farage and some of his own backbenchers who wanted out of Europe. He was sure Remain would win and shut his detractors up.

And how wrong he was!
Politicians rarely seem to understand what the man on the Clapham ( or anywhere else) omnibus really wants.

ronib

So is it better that Brexit is reversed without a referendum? What price democracy?

Referenda ave never been part of British Democracy. The Brexit referendum was 11 years ago. The world we live in has changed beyond recognition and we have regular elections to vote for the governments we want, and to whom we delegate the responibility of making decisions on our behalf. if we do not like them we vote them out.

Why should we keep second guessing them by having referenda? If we have a referendum on our relations with the EU, what justification is there for not having it on other subjects, what the school curriculum should be, who should ualify for different types of benefit, whether we should have an army or not,

The 2015 referendum was an aberration. It undermined government, damaged our economy and we are now poorer as a result. It fractured politics and led to the recent local elections that should primarily have been about local issues becoming primarily a vote of confidence in the current government.