Anti-semitism in the Media

paddyann54

Police kicking people in the head wasn,t OK when it happened in the United States and it’s NOT OK here.Police here are supposed to be trained to deal with all situations without resorting to thuggish behaviour.
Or is that no longer how police are trained in England?Before we know it they,ll be carrying guns d shooting folk in the back.
Better get this under control before you all regret saying it’s ok

Perhaps, as in other countries, more police need to be armed to keep the public safe from terrorists and other violent criminals on our streets.

I see you mention police in England, not averse to putting the boot in again yourself.

Instead of reacting with anger...why don't you read all of my post Allira? I was commenting on what the original post was asking ie the causes of people who react with such anger and violence. It doesn't represent what I think or do. But it does represent, as we can all see why some are reacting with such violence. It doesn't mean I agree with it but there is a correlation between the two.

Has there been an official investigation yet?

Allsorts, I have very little time for Polanski. I wish the media would stick to analysing what comes out of his mouth rather than resorting to what appear to be anti-semitic caricatures.

Police kicking people in the head wasn,t OK when it happened in the United States and it’s NOT OK here.Police here are supposed to be trained to deal with all situations without resorting to thuggish behaviour.
Or is that no longer how police are trained in England?Before we know it they,ll be carrying guns d shooting folk in the back.
Better get this under control before you all regret saying it’s ok

Boz, nothing to do with his face, its what comes out of his mouth and what he thinks that’s the problem. I heard him speak this morning, who would consider him? He has a history of lies but says he has changed. I think not. Do think. people, whatever race or religion should be more integrated into society and not into a small area.
Wyllow 3, you discredit our police and if tasering twice causes cardiac arrest but saves innocent lives and is the only way to stop a killer, so be it. As for listening to Polenski why listen to a liar.

Wyllow3

I've watched the police cams, I don't think kicking in the head was necessary. Tasering is surely enough.

What a typical response, from someone in the nice cosy safety of their own home - criticising police who had to tackle a very dangerous, armed criminal.
I’m sure you would have handled it so much better.

Well we have come a long way from the proposition that the media is anti-Semitic.

Plevey08

I think if we are considering the causes and encouragement of antisemitism then the answer lays squarely at Netanyahu's door. His abhorrent attacks are the cause. As for the encouragement, as with anything that happens from a distance, it makes some people react in the only way they think they can, that is meet such atrocities with atrocities. Unfortunately some people choose not to understand that the only way forward is to show war criminals that understanding and peace is the only way forward. This would have greater impact on war criminals.

I think if we are considering the causes and encouragement of antisemitism then the answer lays squarely at Netanyahu's door. His abhorrent attacks are the cause.

Wrong on so many levels.

That is the attitude that those attacking Jewish people in this country use as an excuse. What do ordinary Jewish people living in this country have to do with a war being waged in a foreign country.

If people are stupid enough to take that attitude (and obviously some are judging by the fear Jewish people are living with) we could go out and attack Americans living here because of what Trump is doing in the Middle East.

I do support the police in general, but like our Armed Forces, they are highly trained to deal with and defuse situations such as the one they were dealing with, they are not brave, they are doing the job they’ve been trained to do and are paid to do.

I’m not downplaying the danger our police and armed forces face, sometimes on a daily basis, but they know what they’re facing and what they signed up for.

Yes, you are downplaying what our armed Forces and police do on a daily basis and dismissing them as not being brave, merely doing a job they are being paid for is unbelievable.

I think if we are considering the causes and encouragement of antisemitism then the answer lays squarely at Netanyahu's door. His abhorrent attacks are the cause. As for the encouragement, as with anything that happens from a distance, it makes some people react in the only way they think they can, that is meet such atrocities with atrocities. Unfortunately some people choose not to understand that the only way forward is to show war criminals that understanding and peace is the only way forward. This would have greater impact on war criminals.

twaddle

Rosie51

twaddle

... to stab two Jews and a Muslim

The Muslim was known to him, a 'friend' who lived in the same area. The Jews were random strangers that he made a 40 minute journey to a predominantly Jewish area to select. He had a dispute with the fellow Muslim, he didn't even know the Jews. The police would not have known about the earlier Muslim victim, their knowledge extended to the two Jewish men that had been attacked. Hindsight is so brilliant isn't it?

So what? I merely stated a fact. He stabbed a third person, who was a Muslim.

But how was it in the least way relevant to what the police officers were dealing with, the knowledge they had? I'd suggest not at all.

Wyllow3

Here is Zak Polanski commenting on the disgusting cartoons (short video)

www.facebook.com/reel/1329381109083657

you do not need to be on Facebook to see it and it will not connect to your account if you do view it.

Unfortunately it will not connect to your account if you do view it is incorrect. I've just used your link and it definitely linked to my account since my messages and notifications came up. Not that it matters to me, but it might to some.

Boz

If antisemitism is being promoted at this time. would it be a ploy to deflect the Muslim vote, who seems to favour Greens as an antidote to Reform?

A ploy by whom? The pictures I saw most certainly suggested an anti-semitic stereotype.

Rosie51

twaddle

... to stab two Jews and a Muslim

The Muslim was known to him, a 'friend' who lived in the same area. The Jews were random strangers that he made a 40 minute journey to a predominantly Jewish area to select. He had a dispute with the fellow Muslim, he didn't even know the Jews. The police would not have known about the earlier Muslim victim, their knowledge extended to the two Jewish men that had been attacked. Hindsight is so brilliant isn't it?

So what? I merely stated a fact. He stabbed a third person, who was a Muslim.

Boz

Polanski's problem is that he has a face that is easily dislikeable.

In the Times in Sunday, Jeremy Clarkson (yes, I know) said he had no time for the Greens as he didn't like Polanski's face.

Cruel and dismissive but the remark resonates.

Crikey, I hope you were born with a face that is not "dislikable" Boz. If so- your good fortune?

twaddle

... to stab two Jews and a Muslim

The Muslim was known to him, a 'friend' who lived in the same area. The Jews were random strangers that he made a 40 minute journey to a predominantly Jewish area to select. He had a dispute with the fellow Muslim, he didn't even know the Jews. The police would not have known about the earlier Muslim victim, their knowledge extended to the two Jewish men that had been attacked. Hindsight is so brilliant isn't it?

If antisemitism is being promoted at this time. would it be a ploy to deflect the Muslim vote, who seems to favour Greens as an antidote to Reform?

Regardless of Polanski’s views, the clearly antisemitic depiction of him in these ‘cartoons’ is abhorrent.

Stereotypical mocking of race, religion, ethnicity, gender and disability should always be called out, regardless of whether we agree with the person’s political views or not. I don’t agree with Kemi Badenoch’s views, but I would be similarly disgusted if she was racially ‘lampooned’ in the media.

When main stream, once highly regarded publications such as The Times and The Telegraph, are promoting, and thereby normalising, antisemitism we are in a dire place.

Polanski's problem is that he has a face that is easily dislikeable.

In the Times in Sunday, Jeremy Clarkson (yes, I know) said he had no time for the Greens as he didn't like Polanski's face.

Cruel and dismissive but the remark resonates.

... to stab two Jews and a Muslim

Wyllow3

Taser him again, it can totally disable rapidly.

Pin down his arms to the ground.

Kicking in the head was not necessary for experienced policemen and women. It could have made him do something even more untoward if brain damaged.

Btw, do watch the Zak Polanski video I posted upthread. His words are wise and careful

I cant help thinking that the caricatures come just the day before the election.

But what a shocking way to discredit him by publishing anti semitic memes.

I still cant believe it, you know. so very, very dreadful.

Tasering for a second time can induce cardiac arrest or respiratory failure, which you’d also no doubt object to.
As for ‘pin his arms down’ what do you think the officer grappling him on the ground was trying to do? One of those arms was holding a knife that had already been used to stab two Jews. Still what does it matter when police get injured, amply demonstrated by the pathetic charge against that animal that hit the policewoman with a sledgehammer?

Polanski, whether you like him or not, did not side with the criminal stabbing people, he re-tweeted (wrongly) something someone else posted criticising the police for allegedly kicking him in the head, when he was semi incapacitated, tasered, lying on the floor.

I do support the police in general, but like our Armed Forces, they are highly trained to deal with and defuse situations such as the one they were dealing with, they are not brave, they are doing the job they’ve been trained to do and are paid to do.

I’m not downplaying the danger our police and armed forces face, sometimes on a daily basis, but they know what they’re facing and what they signed up for.

If they overstep or don’t do things within their given procedures they do need to be called out.

Polanski handled it in the wrong way.

Wyllow3

Here is Zak Polanski commenting on the disgusting cartoons (short video)

www.facebook.com/reel/1329381109083657

you do not need to be on Facebook to see it and it will not connect to your account if you do view it.

What he says here is sensible and accurate, in my humble opinion.

Allsorts

I have not seen the drawings and don't want to, sound horrendous and should not be shown.
Polenski’s comments and views were vile and siding with the man arrested instead of the police disgusting. How do you suggest police could contain such a person . Our police many very young, are out there trying to protect us the public, they can't perform miracles and have to make huge life and death decisions in seconds. Show me how you could arrest and immobilise such a man ! I am sure the police would love to know. People that agree with Polenski obviously will never help as they could handle it better.

He had already been tasered.

Presumably the Met will be conducting an investigation. I wish the media would stop publishing these videos without context because it's so easy to come to the wrong conclusion and before anybody knows it, the videos and accusations have gone half way round the world.