Anti-semitism in the Media

The police have a difficult enough job as it is without members of the public sitting on their keyboards in the safety of their own homes criticising their every move and criticising whatever they do to try to prevent increasing violence and stop violent, dangerous criminals on our streets.

I don't know what you mean. The met police described the police as met police, they released body cam footage from their officers. This was reported on the BBC , etc.

Interestingly, the Met's official released footage on the BBC doesn't show the kickings, which don't appear to have been carried out by their officers.

There needs to be an investigation and all the footage needs putting together.

Er there was a civilian ( again incredibly brave) assisting the police, another person used his vehicle to block the escape . There were absolutely people there.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Well, that is ironic!

Allira

^He was tasered while crossing a road and ended up lying on his front.^

Oh, I understand now
Did he say "I was just going about my business, crossing the road, minding the traffic, carrying a knife for self-defence, Officer".

They can't have heard him.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

I have not denied he resisted arrest - that is precisely why he was tasered. Got that? Once he was on the ground, he was lying on top of the knife. He was tasered. His muscles wouldn't work. He couldn't hand the knife over.

Galaxy

I don't but you know that.

Ignore, it's goading.

Galaxy

I want the police to ensure the explosion doesn't happen often at great risk to themselves. Explosions don't just take out the person, they take out train carriages, buses, etc as we all know to our great cost.

You've seen the video. How would the police have stopped an explosion? All the man would have needed to do is push a button, pull a chord or whatever. They couldn't have stopped it - and certainly not by kicking him in the head. If he had been a suicide bomber, he would have rehearsed how to detonate any device, which would have taken just a second.

He was in the middle of a road. There was nobody in the nearest vicinity. It was not indoors, so there was nothing to contain it. An explosion would have killed the man, made a big hole in the road and probably broken glass in nearby buildings, but it would have done very little other damage.

It will be interesting to find out what the official investigation says.

He was tasered while crossing a road and ended up lying on his front.

Oh, I understand now
Did he say "I was just going about my business, crossing the road, minding the traffic, carrying a knife for self-defence, Officer".

They can't have heard him.

I want the police to ensure the explosion doesn't happen often at great risk to themselves. Explosions don't just take out the person, they take out train carriages, buses, etc as we all know to our great cost.

paddyann54

Allira

paddyann54

Police kicking people in the head wasn,t OK when it happened in the United States and it’s NOT OK here.Police here are supposed to be trained to deal with all situations without resorting to thuggish behaviour.
Or is that no longer how police are trained in England?Before we know it they,ll be carrying guns d shooting folk in the back.
Better get this under control before you all regret saying it’s ok

Perhaps, as in other countries, more police need to be armed to keep the public safe from terrorists and other violent criminals on our streets.

I see you mention police in England, not averse to putting the boot in again yourself.

If these police weren’t English I apologise I didn’t realise police forces were being bussed in I spent over 40 years working around Scottish police personnel .They were very proud of the day the Washington Post reported on a visit to SCotland and how the Scottish police could deal with even violenceetc on the streets WITHOUT Resorting to violence BECAUSE of the training they received.. when in the same circumstances the guy would be on his face with a gun in his back.
So again why were these ENGLISH officers not trained to deal with one mentally ill man without kicking him in the head.?
I hope it’s doesn’t become norm …for all our sakes

I spent over 40 years working around Scottish police personnel

Sorry, I had no idea you had a lifetime of working with the Scottish police and had extensive knowledge of them all and how they work.
Apologies, I must have mixed you up with another poster who was a professional photographer.

I don't but you know that.

Galaxy, I really am puzzled that you find the idea of people being blown up hilarious.

Galaxy

There were videos at the time of the officers shouting at him to drop the knife. I don't want officers to stand back when there is a risk of explosions ( quite a hilarious concept of the nature of explosions but there you go). I want them to go towards danger in a way that no one on this thread would have the capacity to do.

He couldn't have dropped it when he was on the ground because he was lying on it.

I realise he wouldn't drop the knife while he was upright - that's why he was tasered.

Why don't you want people to stand back from explosions? If he really did have explosions strapped to his body, he could easily have detonated them and they would have been blown up too. Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense to me. If he had wanted to blow himself up, so be it, but don't let him take anybody else with him.

The more times I watch that snippet of video, the less I think the head kicking was justified. I'd be grateful for any different evidence, but as it stands, I think explanations are needed.

There were videos at the time of the officers shouting at him to drop the knife. I don't want officers to stand back when there is a risk of explosions ( quite a hilarious concept of the nature of explosions but there you go). I want them to go towards danger in a way that no one on this thread would have the capacity to do.

If you've watched videos with sound you'd have heard the officers shouting at him to drop the knife, while he was upright and while he was on the ground. In fact the officers used the 'f' expletive too. They did forget their manners, I never heard one 'please'.
He wouldn't let go of the knife, he resisted arrest, and on the ground he had it gripped in his hand when they finally got his arms out.

He couldn't have put the knife down when he was on the ground because he was lying on top of it.

Galaxy

He was told numerous times to put down the knife, he did not. Casually saying the explosives would have gone off anyway shows a callous lack of regard for the safety of the officers and anyone in the vicinity. I thank god they did what they did.

How do you know that? I've done a search for video evidence and I could find nothing of the sort. He was lying on his front until he was kicked over on to his back and the knife was grabbed. If you have any other video evidence, please post a link.

I'm not showing a callous disregard for the safety of the officers. What I'm saying is that kicking him in the head wouldn't have stopped any explosives from being detonated. If they were really worried about explosives, they should have stood back. The man had been tasered and wasn't going anywhere.

There needs to be an investigation. I'm not sure who the officers were, so I suppose that affects who does the investigation.

He was told numerous times to put down the knife, he did not. Casually saying the explosives would have gone off anyway shows a callous lack of regard for the safety of the officers and anyone in the vicinity. I thank god they did what they did.

Iam64

grumppa, good question. The police deal with out of control aggressive people all the time. We have huge problems with drugs, alcohol and people with mental health problems,
This individual was clearly dangerous, resisting arrest, refusing to give up his knife, I’m not sure it’s relevant whether they knew he was mentally ill or not. He needed stopping. They stopped him, job done

In the short video we have, the man isn't resisting arrest. He was tasered while crossing a road and ended up lying on his front. He was lying on the hand holding the knife. In that position, he wouldn't have been a danger to anyone, unless he had explosives in his back pack, which would probably have detonated anyway. He was kicked while lying on his front, until he was forced to roll over and the knife was grabbed. On the face of it, some explaining needs to be done - either by the Met or Shomrim.

There's no doubt about what the attacker did, but we are not yet a country of vigilantes. One of the reasons I'm proud of my country is because we have (usually) a well-trained police force and I'd like it stay that way.

Whatever Polanski said about the incident, there was no need to depict him as a caricatured Jew.

Were the officers doing the kicking Met or Shomrim? Does anybody know for sure? There seems to be some doubt, according to source. In one video, one of the officers is handed a kippah.

grumppa, good question. The police deal with out of control aggressive people all the time. We have huge problems with drugs, alcohol and people with mental health problems,
This individual was clearly dangerous, resisting arrest, refusing to give up his knife, I’m not sure it’s relevant whether they knew he was mentally ill or not. He needed stopping. They stopped him, job done

I ask in all ignorance: did the policemen concerned know that they were dealing with a mentally ill man, as several posters have mentioned?

And even if they did, how should they have dealt with a mentally ill man who was clearly very dangerous?

English and Scottish Police deal with many violent incidents every day but training notwithstanding have to make sure that the public and themselves are safe and use any means possible to achieve that.

I hope that Scottish residents are safe from knife wielding racists because Scottish police would no doubt ask him politely to drop his weapon and ask does sir have any explosives in his backpack?