Reform UK claims it would renegotiate Brexit deal to stop resident foreign students accessing UK student loan system

In answer to the question posed up thread, I didn't pay for mine, went straight into teaching and stayed there for nearly forty years.

Oreo

It’s all in the detail I think, if foreign nationals have come here and been granted settled status or British citizenship and worked and paid taxes for ten years I think that their children should be eligible for a student loan.Otherwise not, in my view.
We are often far too tolerant/ lax when it comes to benefits of many kinds handed out like sweets.They may be called loans but so many are never repaid.

That's not what's happening.

Oreo

This policy may or may not ever come to fruition but that doesn’t mean it’s not a good idea.

It's a rubbish idea for a number of reasons!

Cold

Oreo

It’s all in the detail I think, if foreign nationals have come here and been granted settled status or British citizenship and worked and paid taxes for ten years I think that their children should be eligible for a student loan.Otherwise not, in my view.
We are often far too tolerant/ lax when it comes to benefits of many kinds handed out like sweets.They may be called loans but so many are never repaid.

Bet Reform can only be talking about residents with 3+ years living/working in the UK - as without that you are not eligible for UK student finance today.

This is IMO a virtual signalling policy that is trying to create a "foreigner problem" that doesn't really exist by pretending that anyone can turn up in the UK and student finance.

Of course it is! It's a manufactured problem, which doesn't cause an issue at all, but people who don't understand the student loan system or asset management jump at it. It's all about pesky "foreigners".

David49, That's not the issue of this thread. Maybe start another one.

If overseas students come to the UK and pay the full cost of their tuition, at the end go back to their home country, I have no issue with that at all.

It's our own youth that leave education at whatever age that are not trained for any gainful work. For do many the education system from top to bottom has failed, yet the educationalists insists there is nothing wrong with the system and more of the same is the answer.

It clearly is not.

Whitewavemark2

People criticising what they describe as poor degrees - I would be interested in what their BA/BSc. Is and how it helped them in getting employment.

Very much doubt they paid for them, either.

Should be ten years.

People criticising what they describe as poor degrees - I would be interested in what their BA/BSc. Is and how it helped them in getting employment.

Oreo

It’s all in the detail I think, if foreign nationals have come here and been granted settled status or British citizenship and worked and paid taxes for ten years I think that their children should be eligible for a student loan.Otherwise not, in my view.
We are often far too tolerant/ lax when it comes to benefits of many kinds handed out like sweets.They may be called loans but so many are never repaid.

Bet Reform can only be talking about residents with 3+ years living/working in the UK - as without that you are not eligible for UK student finance today.

This is IMO a virtual signalling policy that is trying to create a "foreigner problem" that doesn't really exist by pretending that anyone can turn up in the UK and student finance.

This policy may or may not ever come to fruition but that doesn’t mean it’s not a good idea.

twaddle

Oreo

Sending so many students to Universities and making Polytechnics into ‘Universities’ to fit has been the worst thing for the country and for young people.It was a social experiment thought up by Blair and Brown which hasn’t done anyone any favours.
And on the government creating money, yes of course it can print any amount of it but that won’t help in the long run.

I don't understand what this has to do with foreign nationals taking up places at British universities.

They will be part of the body of students often doing meaningless degrees at poor Universities.

It’s all in the detail I think, if foreign nationals have come here and been granted settled status or British citizenship and worked and paid taxes for ten years I think that their children should be eligible for a student loan.Otherwise not, in my view.
We are often far too tolerant/ lax when it comes to benefits of many kinds handed out like sweets.They may be called loans but so many are never repaid.

Oreo

kjmpde

My understanding is that foreign students actually help fund universities and the restriction on the numbers has meant that
educational establishments are struggling

Most importantly for those who are tempted by voting for Reform - if GB is taken out of the ECHR and Reform follows through with its policy of cancelling the Equalities Act that the most vulnerable in society will suffer. You have been warned

Yes you’re correct but only foreign students from * other* countries coming to University here in the UK.

So you are objecting to students who are long term residents of the UK being eligible for student finance?

Cold

Don't you have to have a minimum of 3 years of UK residence to be eligible for UK finance?

So either we are talking about children who have been educated in the UK or adults who have worked and paid taxes?

Yes, that's correct.

Presumably that's why Kemi Badenoch, who came to the UK when she was 16, took a "gap" year after spending two years doing A levels before she went to university. She would be the biggest hypocrite ever if she were to support this idea.

Don't you have to have a minimum of 3 years of UK residence to be eligible for UK finance?

So either we are talking about children who have been educated in the UK or adults who have worked and paid taxes?

Chocolatelovinggran

If you loan money, then claim it back with interest, then that is profit, not loss.
I understand that some loans are not paid back, for a variety of reasons,, but that applies to all loans, not merely student ones.

The capital might not be paid back, but interest is still collected over many years. Even if the original loan isn't paid back, inflation means it's insignificant at the end of the period. Meanwhile, the interest repaid exceeds the loan many times. The SLC still makes a profit.

Oreo

Sending so many students to Universities and making Polytechnics into ‘Universities’ to fit has been the worst thing for the country and for young people.It was a social experiment thought up by Blair and Brown which hasn’t done anyone any favours.
And on the government creating money, yes of course it can print any amount of it but that won’t help in the long run.

I don't understand what this has to do with foreign nationals taking up places at British universities.

Oreo, can we quantify the number " too many students" currently " working in a shop"?
Some degrees lead directly to a career, others do not. In my family, the only ones who went directly into the career suggested by their degree are the ones in medicine and engineering.
All of the others used their qualifications to take them in a different direction.
None of them are working in a shop, although two of them too some time out after university to work abroad, all in the travel/ service industry, before returning home to establish a career.

Oreo

These loans btw do become freebies as so many are never paid back, too many students doing the kind of degrees that don’t get them anywhere in life and they end up working in a shop or doing any job that doesn’t need A levels never mind a degree.

Did you pay for your degree?

I don't think sending a lot of sixteen or eighteen year olds out onto the job market would work either. The jobs are no longer there for them. Just more people claiming benefit.
We live in a different world. The jobs that were available when I was young for those with few qualifications don't exist. Apprenticeships are rare.
I think university is more than just about work. Education is never a bad thing.
I don't like the term 'spongers'. It's derogatory and unfair to those who try very hard to get work. I know some young people who, although having good degrees, are doing 'lowly' jobs while searching.
Tarring them all with the same brush is very wrong.

twaddle

Oreo

I don’t think that matters twaddle it would be less money spent which is paid for by the tax payers here, the government doesn’t have any money of its own.

Well, no it wouldn't. The Students Loan Company makes a profit. There are two possible outcomes. Firstly, the university places might be taken up by other applicants - people who had been born in the UK - who would apply for loans and be granted them, so there would be no "saving". The second possibility is that nobody applied for the excess places. In that case, the eventual income of the Students Loan Company would decrease, as fewer people would owe it money.

It's a daft idea, designed to appeal to xenophobic bigots, which wouldn't even achieve anything. (Surprised it hasn't been plastered on the side of a red bus somewhere!)

I suspect, the £4million sum came from some kind of back of a fag packet calculation and has no real substance. It has no basis in reality. Similar to the lies printed on the sides of buses during the Brexit campaign about £350 million a week going to the NHS.

It's clear that Reform also does not understand the asset management process that supports student loans. The government treats student loans as a massive, long term asset, sometimes selling portions of the loan book to private investors to raise immediate cash.

Not forgetting that it is currently illegal for Reform to stop EU nationals with settled status from accessing student loans.

Sending so many students to Universities and making Polytechnics into ‘Universities’ to fit has been the worst thing for the country and for young people.It was a social experiment thought up by Blair and Brown which hasn’t done anyone any favours.
And on the government creating money, yes of course it can print any amount of it but that won’t help in the long run.

I made no reference to spongers. I suggested that education is more than preparing for work. I feel no need to use capital letters to remind you of that fact.

Chocolatelovinggran

Goodness, David, you do seem to have negative views about about schools and universities. I do not share your views on this, as a retired teacher, university lecturer, school governor, parent and grandparent. I see these establishments as working with the next generation of parents, citizens, voters, and workers.
The "adult world" is a broad church, and surely should not be defined purely as a place " where you have to justify your wages by work alone ".

If you don't have a positive attitude to work you are a burden to someone else or the state. Everyone should contribute to society, if that means doing work that you think is beneath you should do it. Maybe you think that everybody should have the RIGHT to be a sponger on society, with no RESPONSIBILITY

If you are defending a system that is failing so many shame on you,