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Mandelson failed security vetting. Starmer says he didn’t know

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Primrose53 Thu 16-Apr-26 20:12:36

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2r15151xgo

Well, well, well.

Spinnaker Thu 16-Apr-26 22:42:14

I have wondered whether Starmer would quit just before the May elections so that he will be out of the line of fire when the results come in. I bloody well hope so 😡😡

OldFrill Thu 16-Apr-26 22:40:33

Milliband

Sarnia Thu 16-Apr-26 22:28:34

ronib

Yvette Cooper?

Fair point and also Angela Rayner, God forbid. I have little time for Sir Keir Starmer but would rather he stayed than either of these 2.

eazybee Thu 16-Apr-26 22:20:36

Just as before we will have another two or three days of media onslaught. What will be achieved by it?

The departure of a corrupt, incompetent Prime Minister.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 16-Apr-26 22:12:50

Nobody wants it till after that date.
Let Starmer carry the can of defeat. Then watch them scrabble for pole position!

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 16-Apr-26 22:10:53

The Labour Party will keep him in to sacrifice post the local elections on 7th May I think.

Allira Thu 16-Apr-26 22:07:03

Did civil servants lie by omission?

Graphite Thu 16-Apr-26 22:06:58

As a socialist I am not a fan of Labour under Starmer but neither am I in the camp of people here who have been baying for Starmer’s blood since 5 July 2024.

I am trying to understand what may have happened and take an objective view.

Reading various opinions from people who seem to understand the process, this from Calum Miller Lib Dem Foreign Affairs spokesperson is the most level-headed and unbiased one I have read

I held Developed Vetting for nearly ten years and spent three years at the heart of the Cabinet Office. I have never heard of a Developed Vetting denial being overruled. Here’s why…

Developed Vetting (DV) is close to the highest level of security clearance. You need it to read material classified as Top Secret. For regular civil servants, it can take up to six months.

An investigator - usually a retired police or intelligence officer - looks into all aspects of your life: your lifetime addresses and overseas travel, your financial affairs, your relationships.

This matters because if you are vulnerable to blackmail, bribery or extremism, you could give or sell secrets that put lives at risk. It is a high, serious bar. I have known cases where people failed and were never told why. I have never known one be overruled.

Scenario 1: someone in No10 let it be known that Mandelson HAD TO be appointed. When he failed his DV, someone senior in the FCDO decided that was not acceptable and insisted it was revised, without telling No10.

Scenario 2: Mandelson failed DV. No10 was informed, did not tell the PM, and someone senior in the FCDO insisted it be revised.

Scenario 3: Mandelson failed DV. No10 was informed, told the PM, and Starmer insisted it be revised.

None of these are good scenarios for Starmer. Either there is a culture of fear between No10 and FCDO that overrides national security concerns (1) or No10 overrides national security concerns without telling Starmer (2) or Starmer has lied (3).

(2) is the one being put forward as an explanation. I suspect McSweeney was involved somehow.

What we do know from the furore over Mandelson just a few weeks ago was that he was appointed because he was thought to be the best person to deal with Trump. Everybody apart from the FT praised the decision.

People are calling for Starmer’s head but this is the worst time to be changing leader while Trump's madness and the war in the Middle East continues.

Just as before we will have another two or three days of media onslaught. What will be achieved by it?

Epstein gets to the screw the UK from the grave. Brexit, the overthrow of Theresa May to be replaced by Johnson, the rise of Farage who is up to his neck in the whole Epstein/Orban/Bannon network. Why are some people so keen for this to keep happening?

Primrose53 Thu 16-Apr-26 22:06:57

Lib Dem leader Sir Ed Davey also says Starmer should go.

Casdon Thu 16-Apr-26 22:06:22

It’s straightforward in my mind. If it is proven he misled parliament, as Johnson was proven to have done, he must go. as Johnson had to.
The same rules should apply to all PMs, and whether people like him, hate him, or whatever, is irrelevant.
We don’t yet know the full story.

Cardamom Thu 16-Apr-26 22:03:41

I agree with what Kemi Badenoch says, either KS lied or he is hopelessly incompetent

It's perfectly possible that both are correct.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 16-Apr-26 22:00:25

He said the ‘grown ups are now in charge’.
😂😂😂

Primrose53 Thu 16-Apr-26 21:58:03

But Starmer swept in promising he and his party would be the exact opposite of how he saw Boris. Transparent, honest, trustworthy. What a joke!

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 16-Apr-26 21:57:05

Cross if Starmer did know?
Blimey
You’re easy going Wyllow.

I think the country are feeling a bit more than ‘cross’ right now.

Wyllow3 Thu 16-Apr-26 21:53:43

I want more details.

Yes, cross if he did know.

Not a good idea to get into Boris comparisons, he did far, far more than described above (one party, you have to be joking!) as in handouts for mates (contracts, the Chris Pincher episode, lied many times to Parliament) and got a pretty free pass from the right wing press until it got far too much.

Yes I like Yvette Cooper, always have, but not change atm.

Allira Thu 16-Apr-26 21:52:36

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Nigel Farage, the leader of Reform UK, said: “Keir Starmer said in February that the security services had given Mandelson ‘clearance for the role’.

“Now we discover that he has blatantly lied, the Prime Minister should resign.”

"Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?"

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 16-Apr-26 21:47:59

Nigel Farage, the leader of Reform UK, said: “Keir Starmer said in February that the security services had given Mandelson ‘clearance for the role’.

“Now we discover that he has blatantly lied, the Prime Minister should resign.”

Allira Thu 16-Apr-26 21:46:32

ronib

Yes we do Allira it would definitely take the wind out of Reform’s sails. I guess you would prefer to wait until after the local elections?

Local elections aside, we are facing a world crisis and Starmer is dealing with it well.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 16-Apr-26 21:43:14

Boris was kicked out for attending a small birthday gathering (which he did not plan) during covid. Starmer has been mired in scandal from his earliest days, but remains in office.
How?

ronib Thu 16-Apr-26 21:26:00

Yes we do Allira it would definitely take the wind out of Reform’s sails. I guess you would prefer to wait until after the local elections?

Allira Thu 16-Apr-26 21:22:37

We really don't need a leadership change right now, though.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 16-Apr-26 21:22:05

MartavTaurus

I agree with what Kemi Badenoch says, either KS lied or he is hopelessly incompetent.

This. 100%

Allira Thu 16-Apr-26 21:21:29

Oh dear.

Yvette Cooper?
Yes

Casdon Thu 16-Apr-26 21:16:39

I’m not going to defend this either.

petra Thu 16-Apr-26 21:10:36

I’ve tried to defend him on several issues but this is a step too far.
He appointed a dodgy individual who could have been vulnerable to blackmail.