Migrants pretending to be gay so they can claim asylum

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Primrose53

Another excuse they use is “domestic violence”. They know or are told every trick in the book.

Ah! The amorphous "they". Would it be possible to quantify this group?

You know full well who we are discussing. See the thread title. Migrants!

Yes.

TerriBull

That may be so! but this thread is equally about bent manipulative lawyers.

I think that is the most important element in the discussion. People desperate to enter the country are going to try many different, dishonest in some cases, means to get accepted. Lawyers who help them to lie and falsify legal documentation deserve very strict punishment.

Absolutely but the world was always thus. Where there's something to be exploited to make money... a gap in the market...
Actually Pakistan was quoted on the bbc as one of the places unsafe for gay people and regarding executions there, While Pakistan has laws that allow for the death penalty for same-sex activity, there are no known cases of the government ever carrying out an execution for it.
To be gay (for men, cos the powers that be couldn't imagine women might be) was imprisonable here till 1967. Maybe to claim asylum for this, some sort of personal persecution ought to be required for evidence. After all, if you allow people to come over here on the basis that homosexuality is illegal in their country, then you weaken the homosexual faction in that country who can vote accordingly or campaign to change the status quo, in their country.

That may be so! but this thread is equally about bent manipulative lawyers.

Farage must be thrilled at the amount of oxygen threads like this give Reform.

A total of 2% of applications in 2033 (latest figures) claim sexual orientation as the reason for seeking asylum. Presumably this includes those doing so falsely.

I can think of a lot of other things that my energies can be put towards worrying. False claims - now being investigated are not one of them.

And of course it is quite possible that those people are involved or support what is happening to gay people, many seemed quite homphobic to me.

MayBee70

I’m thankful that I don’t live in a country in which gay people are executed. Just imagine living under that burden.

So am I.

But I do not like the thought of heterosexuals lying about their sexuality, claiming to be gay in order to claim asylum either.

I’m thankful that I don’t live in a country in which gay people are executed. Just imagine living under that burden.

Is anyone honestly surprised?
We have so many dodgy solicitors, never mind those who were never qualified in the first place.
I know I was shocked when I googled a neighbour, who I knew had been struck off for fraud and money laundering, to see his name among the list of so many others - dozens and dozens - who had also been struck off.

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Oreo

There are evil people who just have no conscience and do whatever pleases them.

They're called psychopaths.

They call themselves entrepreneurs.

Allira, the phrase is frequently well used in many contexts and has been for some time, and that is why it is now offensive and outworn.

I agree with Ore, quoted wrong post, sorry.

But yes, I also agree that those accused of criminal offences should stop pleading MH problems unless they have been diagnosed
because its a real down on those with genuine and benign MH issues.

Wyllow3

I really have problems with using the term plead the MH card

because its a real down on those with genuine and benign MH issues

and is frequently used as such

and has now become an insult which does no favours to those with genuine MH problems

and I think its well time to stop using it thus.

Please.

I agree.

It does a huge disservice to those who genuinely have problems with their mental health. Unless someone has a proper diagnoses, they should not be allowed to use that as an excuse for bad behaviour.

Not all people who have problems with their mental health would behave badly or carry out criminal acts, so it is totally unfair on sufferers if it's used by some as an excuse for breaking the law.

I have seen grown men cry because of such taunts, because they cannot work: mocked in pubs: women who are blamed for not doing this or that properly in the home

and it cuts deep, which is why I asked.

No, I shall use whatever phrase I think fits Wyllow3 and if you have a problem with it then so be it.

I really have problems with using the term plead the MH card

because its a real down on those with genuine and benign MH issues

and is frequently used as such

and has now become an insult which does no favours to those with genuine MH problems

and I think its well time to stop using it thus.

Please.

When they’re eventually caught ( serial killers) they usually all plead the MH card.
I think the definition of a serial killer is more than two people are murdered.

Wyllow3

*Thank you to the Beeb* - I imagine solicitors or lawyers should be struck off unable to practice? There may be laws I'm not aware of on top of that?

I imagine the press will now be very on top of it to "out" those concerned, and quite right too.

As long as they get it right and those who are fighting the corner for genuine gay people are not struck off.

I agree

It matters to me what I believe twaddle just as am sure what you believe matters to you.

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Oreo

There are evil people who just have no conscience and do whatever pleases them.

They're called psychopaths.

I think the latest word is sociopath 😁
They don’t need a label tho, they have a reason for doing what they do, it’s because they enjoy it.

Oreo

I don’t believe they are all mentally ill.

All? Which all?

To be honest, it doesn't matter much what you believe.

There are certain legal definitions of mental illness and there will always be people who have conditions which don't match the definitions exactly. Psychiatrists themselves disagree about some of the categorisation of mental illness.

I don’t think we can hold our breath for this bent lawyer thing to go away.It will have been known about for years but nothing done to stop it.

Wyllow3

*Thank you to the Beeb* - I imagine solicitors or lawyers should be struck off unable to practice? There may be laws I'm not aware of on top of that?

I imagine the press will now be very on top of it to "out" those concerned, and quite right too.

As long as they get it right and those who are fighting the corner for genuine gay people are not struck off.

Wyllow3
No need for the press to go looking,the footage is all over social media.
The woman solicitor proudly claims she has been doing this for 17/18 years.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lTKwxpbs6Q

Oreo

There are evil people who just have no conscience and do whatever pleases them.

They're called psychopaths.