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It appears U-turn Keir may be poised to about-turn on his manifesto pledge to ban foie gras and fur imports in an attempt to secure a trade deal with the EU. Ministers are reportedly considering an about-turn on the pledge, which Labour made in opposition on animal welfare grounds.
Officials are engaged in trade talks on food standards with Brussels, which are set to be finalised ahead of a summit in June or July. The trade talks come as part of Sir Keir’s wider “reset” with the EU, which includes a food and drink standards deal announced last year and closer alignment on energy and carbon markets .
Brussels has demanded Britain drop its opposition to foie gras, most of which is produced in France by force-feeding ducks and geese to artificially enlarge their livers. Under the terms Sir Keir is pursuing with the EU, Britain would be required to secure a special exemption from Brussels to continue with a ban, because European states are not allowed to ban each others’ food on animal welfare grounds. Sources close to the discussions told The Guardian that it was likely the UK would instead abandon the pledge to secure concessions in other areas
In the meantime, we have to swallow (no pun intended) the renaming of marmalade as citrus marmalade
Isn’t that tautology? If it was any other fruit it would be JAM. (Duh!)
Oreo
It doesn’t bother me, as long as it’s clear which fruit is used, Seville oranges being the best.
In Portugal marmalade is made from quinces and is disgusting😱
Mine was delicious 😀
Made in Devon but only the once about 45 years ago. Never again!
In Portugal marmalade is made from quinces and is disgusting😱
We're just back from a visit to Portugal, I don't think the Portuguese like their own marmalade! For breakfast it was always Bonne Maman little pots of marmalade with bitter oranges/oranges amères.
It doesn’t bother me, as long as it’s clear which fruit is used, Seville oranges being the best.
In Portugal marmalade is made from quinces and is disgusting😱
No problem with the ban on foie gras, but I think the fuss about marmalade is ridiculous.
To uote AI because I could not put it better
Marmalade" derives from the Portuguese word marmelada, a preserve made from quinces (marmelo). It originates from the Ancient Greek melimēlon (honey-apple), which became melimelum in Latin and referred to quince preserved in honey. The term shifted from quince paste to citrus preserves as it was adopted into English, French, and other European languages.
I see no reason why a jar labelled 'marmelade' should not make it clear on the label that it is made from citrus fruit not uinces. Remember we export marmelade all over the world and we want those buying British marmelade in supermarkets and stores in other countries to understand what the jar contains.
Oh shame, they do sell them over here if you're that desperate.
No they don't, Freya, not the ones I buy anyway! 🤣
Oui, Allira is correct that there is Lumpy Skin Disease currently found in French cattle.
I'm in France now, and checked the Agence nationale de sécurité sanitaire de l'alimentation guidance. It's mainly in the South, I believe it came from Italy. However it states that LSD is not transmissible to humans, whether through contact with sick animals or the consumption of products from these animals. The virus does not affect humans, and meat/milk from infected animals is not considered a direct danger to public health, and the French ministry of agriculture has implemented containment measures.
So, back to my several kilos of French cheese for lunch and dinner. 😋
polnan
which is the reason I am against being back in the EU.. I voted Brexit and continue with that, simply,,, the first vote was for TRADE with Europe, which I voted for and will vote again, but I despise being ruled by another country or countries..
Shoot me down if you wish..
I so agree with you, a trading arrangement, yes but only that.
French cheeses are not being imported because of an outbreak Lumpy Skin Disease in dairy cattle.
It's not a joke. It is spread by insects.
Labels are changed lots of times on other products for marketing purposes. If it tastes the same, I am not bothered,
Us British are very attached to some of our things, Marmalade being one of them. Especially after the skit of Paddington and our late Queen who will probably remain the last respected member of the monarchy.
Allira
Freya5
MartavTaurus
I think the connection is interfering with our food choices, whatever the provenance or name label. There's surely more important things to be concentrating on. Marmalade is Marmalade, just that.
And by the way, Keir, please now do a U-turn on the silly Foot and Mouth restrictions from across the Channel, implemented this time last year. France has had no trace of the virus since 2001 and I'm sick of eating my weight in French cheeses over there to get my yearly intake! 🤣Oh shame, they do sell them over here if you're that desperate.
No, they are not.
It's because of Lumpy Skin Disease outbreaks.
Germany has Foot & Mouth sporadic outbreaks at the moment, & it would be difficult to ban german cured meats, soft cheeses if we didn't also ban french.
Foot & Mouth causes such heartbreak & slaughter (although I'm not up on the current epidemiology & strategies), my gut feeling is I would want that ban to continue.
Foie Gras is a cruel product, but we have a better chance of influencing & maybe modifying its production methods if we're in the EU. Banning it is virtue signalling in practical terms.
Just another instance of our Prime Minister being weak. Changing the name of Marmalade saddens me especially because of the connection to Paddington Bear and our late Queen.
westendgirl
I read that in 1500 s marmalade was made from quince and was imported from Spain and Italy.I think the quince jelly is now membrillo and eaten with cheese.
Yes. I thought this too.
Portuguese quince jelly.
😂
Pointless thread. We all know that marmalade is made by bears in Darkest Peru.
Freya5
MartavTaurus
I think the connection is interfering with our food choices, whatever the provenance or name label. There's surely more important things to be concentrating on. Marmalade is Marmalade, just that.
And by the way, Keir, please now do a U-turn on the silly Foot and Mouth restrictions from across the Channel, implemented this time last year. France has had no trace of the virus since 2001 and I'm sick of eating my weight in French cheeses over there to get my yearly intake! 🤣Oh shame, they do sell them over here if you're that desperate.
No, they are not.
It's because of Lumpy Skin Disease outbreaks.
Beans12
Fois Gras is an abomination-just vile.When I learnt that Princess Kate was a fan, I went right off her-not that I was that keen before, she's very two-faced, all this finding peace in nature, but enjoying shooting poor birds as a hobby-she's not "kind and caring" at all.
Who is "Princess Kate" 🤔
Is she a foreign Princess because no members of our Royal Family are called by that name. Or from a Disney film, perhaps?
MartavTaurus
I think the connection is interfering with our food choices, whatever the provenance or name label. There's surely more important things to be concentrating on. Marmalade is Marmalade, just that.
And by the way, Keir, please now do a U-turn on the silly Foot and Mouth restrictions from across the Channel, implemented this time last year. France has had no trace of the virus since 2001 and I'm sick of eating my weight in French cheeses over there to get my yearly intake! 🤣
Oh shame, they do sell them over here if you're that desperate.
Sorry, posted too quickly. The facts are we're the stupid country who voted to leave the EU because of the Brexiteers who read the right wing press. Starmer is trying to get back some of the privileges we lost. In the meantime, this press gives publicity to Farage and Rice who don't pay their fair tax in our country, and people still lap up the lies.
The facts are were the stupid country who voted to leave the EU because of the Brexiteers who read the right wing press. Starmer is trying to get beck done or the privileges we lost. In the meantime, this press gives publicity to Farage and Rice who don't pay their fair tax in our country, and people still lap up the lies
Fois Gras is an abomination-just vile.When I learnt that Princess Kate was a fan, I went right off her-not that I was that keen before, she's very two-faced, all this finding peace in nature, but enjoying shooting poor birds as a hobby-she's not "kind and caring" at all.
polnan
which is the reason I am against being back in the EU.. I voted Brexit and continue with that, simply,,, the first vote was for TRADE with Europe, which I voted for and will vote again, but I despise being ruled by another country or countries..
Shoot me down if you wish..
What reason?
MaizieD
According to a thread I was reading on BlueSky this morning, some EU countries use a word very similar to 'marmalade' as a blanket term for what we call 'jam'. Putting the description 'citrus' in front of it merely clarifies its content. Some posters posted shots of several different UK marmalade labels which variously add a description such as 'orange', 'lime', 'orange and grapefruit' etc. and one poster pointed out that one of the UK's best selling 'marmalade' is just labelled as 'Golden Shred'.
This is a whole fuss about nothing at all.
I'd remind the fussers that if we hadn't so stupidly removed ourselves from the EU we could have had some input into the decision. As it is, if we want to continue to sell our marmalade into the EU it needs to be labelled according to their 'rules'.
I couldn’t have put it better.
Tbh I've always called marmalade orange jam, I'll still call it that no matter what the EU says.
But I do find it utterly disgusting that cruelty to animals should play any part in negotiations.
DS54 you are correct.
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