So Let King Donald Take America Out Of NATO......

I wouldnt like to put it to the test.

Is the present seriously depleted Russia stronger than a combined European and Baltic states force?

ArthurAskey

The US military is stronger than the rest of NATO combined. Without the USA, Russia will invade the Baltic states within 5 years.

I would give it less than 3.

That Russian invasion has already begun.
Plan was to reach Kiev in 3 days.
Four years later, still well behind target.
And now Zelensky is selling 'defence' to the Middle East.
We owe Ukraine, bigly.

The US military is stronger than the rest of NATO combined. Without the USA, Russia will invade the Baltic states within 5 years.

AuntieE

BlueBelle

Why would it be the end of NATO ?
We don’t have to be US slaves neither do we have to be their enemies We can review the friendship after ‘the vile one’ has gone depending who takes over.
The ‘ special relationship’ (was that a Thatcher thing ?) is just a load of nonsense anyway

It might wellbe the end of Nato because as far as I understand it, the US is supplying most of Nato's funding, and is the Western power that poses the grwatest military threat to those who might want to invade us.

Most of Europe have saved on defence since the early 1980s and has neither the weapons or enough qualified servicemen and women to pose a real threat to Putin and others of that ilk

Size of active armed forces for 2025:

NATO - 2.1 million (without the USA)
Russia - 1.5 million
USA - 1.3 million

Is it the rantings of a man with limited capacity ? After the latest swearing rant - has he completely lost it?

He will pull back from Iran and tell the world he made a peace deal, of the war he started, you couldn’t make it up.
America wake up and get rid of him one way or another the problem is look at what’s to follow from behind him !!!

petra

How did Europe become dependent on the US for defence?
It wasn’t laziness: it was a deliberate plan starting after WW2.
There is a mountain of info online but I think this video explains it in such a way that everyone can understand.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SkZshh5WVU

Thanks, Petra. Great explainer.

Apparently Trump sent an Easter message.

I am not Catholic or even Christian but I prefered to listen to the Pope's Easter message calling for an end to the conflict. He had been very outspoken of this war. And he has a lot more followers than Trump.

Already, troops are having to move out of some of their long established bases in the Middle East, which have been pounded by Iran, to the extent that the defensive shields cannot function.
Different issue to leaving NATO, I know.

Smileless2012

How would NATO cope without Trump's diplomacy skills? .

😂😂😂

Etep06

Do you really think that JD Vance will be a big improvement?

Not over many people, but a big improvement on Trump? Yes, actually, I do.
He has some obnoxious views but he has the ability to listen and to think - both of which Trump's conspicuously lacking in.

How would NATO cope without Trump's diplomacy skills? .

To call Chump an imbecile is of course really unfair . . . .to imbeciles, who don't deserve that gruesome association.

His assorted rants about "don't need NATO . . .we're leaving" have been analysed on lots of forums in the last few weeks.

One substantial by-product would be a massive drop in USA's munitions sales to Western countries, which I daresay the saner voices in his entourage have mentioned to His Orangeness, in a quiet moment while GOB was having his diaper changed?

NATO should have been abolished in 1985 with the break up of the USSR.

Trump would have a job leaving Nato. He wouldn't have the bases in the UK and Europe. Congress would have to agree and I believe the members of NATO may have to agree but I'm not sure about that.
The US needs Europe so it would be stupid of Trump to try to leave.

BlueBelle

Why would it be the end of NATO ?
We don’t have to be US slaves neither do we have to be their enemies We can review the friendship after ‘the vile one’ has gone depending who takes over.
The ‘ special relationship’ (was that a Thatcher thing ?) is just a load of nonsense anyway

It might wellbe the end of Nato because as far as I understand it, the US is supplying most of Nato's funding, and is the Western power that poses the grwatest military threat to those who might want to invade us.

Most of Europe have saved on defence since the early 1980s and has neither the weapons or enough qualified servicemen and women to pose a real threat to Putin and others of that ilk

Most Americans don't want to leave NATO. Trump is an idiot.

petra

How did Europe become dependent on the US for defence?
It wasn’t laziness: it was a deliberate plan starting after WW2.
There is a mountain of info online but I think this video explains it in such a way that everyone can understand.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SkZshh5WVU

Yes, it was: the Marshall Plan, which gave the UK resources when we were struggling post war, tied us to the US in arms, social and cultural ways:
They wanted to pay the Lions share to get the "Lions Control

Now it doesn't suit: they are struggling at home in a major way, aren't they? Groups of hugely rich billionaires, millions on the breadline and in need of medical help.
they are not now an Empire on the rise: they are an Empire on the fall, currently hitting out wildly to try and maintain control.

Fallingstar

Trump won’t exit NATO, fact is he doesn’t understand what it is. Is not there to assist western nations that decide to wage an illegal war, is there to defend any western nations that are attacked by an aggressor.
His complete lack of understanding with regard to this underlines why he waged an illegal war on Iran in the first place, because he is basically an extremely dangerous ignoramus.

I couldn't agree more. He knows nothing and not taking advice from those more qualified. One hint of disagreement with him, he gets rid of you.

Etep06

Do you really think that JD Vance will be a big improvement?

Definitely not. Anyone in Trump's inner circle is suspect. Trump's Republican Party needs to be out of power.

King Trump cannot do this by himself. It has to be agreed by Congress. This is not going to happen but it's made Europe and other world leaders think about increasing their own defence and collectively Europe can do this. America won't be so powerful if they are unable to use airbases all over the world. I guess he failed to think this through before bad mouthing world leaders and shooting off his mouth. He has made America a laughing stock all over the world. His word means nothing as he cant be trusted

fancythat

On the issue of NATO funding, I am going to use this from the BBC yesterday

In cash terms however, the US is still by far the biggest spender on defence, spending about $980bn (£720bn) last year, which was 62% of the Nato total.

The US is a global superpower, with military commitments around the world, not just to Nato. It had GDP greater than all the rest of the members of Nato put together in 2025.

US defence spending has come down from 3.6% of GDP in 2020 to an estimated 3.2% in 2025.

Let’s hope the US stays in NATO , I think they will, and it won’t be something that any President can decide on his own.

Do you really think that JD Vance will be a big improvement?