Trump says countries like UK can fight for their oil

BlessedArt

I don’t currently have 16 mins to watch a video of excuses for Europeans absolving themselves of personal responsibility for their own security. I may later on this evening, but the idea that we were merely pawns in an American design reminds me of the poem about excuses.

We are where we are. We need to acknowledge that our dependence has put us in this unstable position and move forward toward stronger security for ourselves.

I actually agree with Blessed Art

Oh wouldn't it be loverly 😂

www.facebook.com/groups/602487414718680/permalink/1505885197712226

BlessedArt

I don’t currently have 16 mins to watch a video of excuses for Europeans absolving themselves of personal responsibility for their own security. I may later on this evening, but the idea that we were merely pawns in an American design reminds me of the poem about excuses.

We are where we are. We need to acknowledge that our dependence has put us in this unstable position and move forward toward stronger security for ourselves.

If you’re really interested in the truth here is a shorter article.

europeanrelations.com/the-illusion-of-european-autonomy/

Maremia

Europe has not given 'excuses'
Europe has given reasons for not joining in an illegal war.

TBH, Maremia, I have no idea what BlessedArt is talking about.

No NATO country has been attacked so there is no reason at all to join Trump's illegal war.

A war which has the potential to cause huge damage to countries world wide as and when Trump walks away from it (which he will) If anyone has made the world less secure it's Trump and Netanyahu.

Which makes me very angry...

Europe has not given 'excuses'
Europe has given reasons for not joining in an illegal war.

Fallingstar

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/mar/31/iran-latest-updates-trump-threats-oil-spill-dubai-tehran-jerusalem-strikes

So the latest from Trump is that the UK and other European countries should go to the Straits of Hormuz and fight for their own oil because he isn’t going to help them anymore if they don’t help him.
So a quick translation of Trump speak for yourself -

I started an illegal war and don’t know how to get out of it so am blaming everyone else and expecting them to clean up the mess I made.’

Seems about right. I don’t want my grandchildren conscripted to a war run by dangerous creature with bone spurs.

Looks as if Starmer is planning to host an International discussion on solving the problems Trump is walking away from.
As far as I can see, Trump has not been invited to the event.

Why do some Posters persist with the
'If you'r e against the war you're for the Regime'
sort of nonsense?

I don’t currently have 16 mins to watch a video of excuses for Europeans absolving themselves of personal responsibility for their own security. I may later on this evening, but the idea that we were merely pawns in an American design reminds me of the poem about excuses.

We are where we are. We need to acknowledge that our dependence has put us in this unstable position and move forward toward stronger security for ourselves.

BlessedArt

The one thing I do agree with Trump about is the need for European nations to start taking more responsibility for their own security. We hide behind big daddy USA, pretend to take the moral high-ground on whichever greedy war they start, then eventually jump to their tune anyway. It needs to stop.

BlessedArt
Europe didnt hide behind big daddy
America worked to device a situation where Europe was forced into a situation.
I have to give credit to whoever thought of the idea.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SkZshh5WVU

I'm not sure why you have collated two posts, only one of which is mine, Freya.
You do realise you can have two opposing thoughts at the same time? It is possible to loathe the behaviour of the government in Iran while simultaneously loathing Trump. You sound hysterical.

The one thing I do agree with Trump about is the need for European nations to start taking more responsibility for their own security. We hide behind big daddy USA, pretend to take the moral high-ground on whichever greedy war they start, then eventually jump to their tune anyway. It needs to stop.

Grandmabatty

Fancythat
'NATO and its' citizens have been very ungrateful. In the past and now.
We reap what we sow.'
What do you mean by this?
Nato is a defensive alliance and always has been.
I think it's obvious trump expected Iran to roll over in the same way as Venezuela. Hes being fed the 'success' by Hesgeth etc in the form of made up films. He is out of his depth, has been from the start, and others are pulling the strings. As is usual for him, he blames others rather than himself.

Do you support the terrorist regime in Iran, the one that murders homosexuals, young people who protest against their regime, who supply money and arms to other terrorist groups that hate the west, Hamas hezbollah,and especially us. Are you happy that Starmers is giving succour here in the UK to those who live here,but hate our way of life. All in Europe have proscribed the irgc, not our human rights lawyer pm. No one else in the middle east are happy with this regime, and even
more so when Iran attacks them, without reason, is that illegal
in your eyes? Or is it only Trump and Netanyahoo who are in the wrong in your eyes. Give me those over the mad mullah any day.

Pedantry has no place on this thread OldFrill.

AGAA4

Is that all you have to say OldFrill on a serious subject? I am much more affronted by what is actually happening than words.

Id previously contributed to this thread, do keep up if your going to patronise me.

MaizieD

OldFrill

AGAA4

The Iran war cost the US almost $13 billion in the first week and 2 billion a day going forward.
Already unpopular with many in America if Trump sends in boots on the ground and young soldiers are coming back to their families in body bags or badly injured the tide could really turn on him.

I loathe the terms "boots on the ground" and "body bags" it totally dehumanises human beings, suffering and death. The worst sort of sound bites.

I think the terms you hate serve to emphasise the abomination that is war... yes, they dehumanise but I think war itself is dehumanising and it's time we really realised it.

The words diminish the abomination of war by dehumanising it's consequences. Makes it all easier l guess.

Fancythat
If I could translate your posts there would be more words I’m taking that to mean replies 🤷‍♀️

OldFrill

AGAA4

The Iran war cost the US almost $13 billion in the first week and 2 billion a day going forward.
Already unpopular with many in America if Trump sends in boots on the ground and young soldiers are coming back to their families in body bags or badly injured the tide could really turn on him.

I loathe the terms "boots on the ground" and "body bags" it totally dehumanises human beings, suffering and death. The worst sort of sound bites.

I think the terms you hate serve to emphasise the abomination that is war... yes, they dehumanise but I think war itself is dehumanising and it's time we really realised it.

Is that all you have to say OldFrill on a serious subject? I am much more affronted by what is actually happening than words.

When he became President I always said in any family discussions.. Trump is a dangerous idiot…He has no idea about politics, he has no filter, or any sort of diplomatic skills he just says and does the first thing that comes into his head..Its like putting a teenager in charge of the most powerful country in the world…And it will get him and all of us into trouble at some point..

AGAA4

The Iran war cost the US almost $13 billion in the first week and 2 billion a day going forward.
Already unpopular with many in America if Trump sends in boots on the ground and young soldiers are coming back to their families in body bags or badly injured the tide could really turn on him.

I loathe the terms "boots on the ground" and "body bags" it totally dehumanises human beings, suffering and death. The worst sort of sound bites.

He has put all of us at risk, not just the USA. Do they have a prize for the most belligerent war provoking characters in the world ? The Lebon War Prize ?

Thank you Whitewave a good summary of what Trump hasn't achieved.
The whole thing was pointless and a has cost billions of dollars.
Another thing he has achieved is to create many more terrorists.

Trump cannot unilaterally take USA out of nato. Rubio ensured a number of years ago that it required the consent of both houses.

If Mr Trump takes the US out of NATO I doubt a future President would re-join. What would be the benefit to the US taxpayer?