Gransnet forums

News & politics

To think this so called art exhibition in Margate is nothing short of a hate crime

(240 Posts)
TerriBull Sun 29-Mar-26 13:35:41

We've been down this road before with the so-called banker cartoons, distinct and insulting caricatures of Jewish men depicted getting rich with their feet on supposed ground down subjugated workers. Now here we are again, how is it even allowed? Jews, or Zionists if you prefer, are represented in the most racist and anti semitic way possible. For instance, the Jewish owner of Southeby's eating a baby, next to the words "Hey look I'm selling a fantastic painting while eating a baby alive"

At a time of a resurgence of unfettered prejudice against our Jewish community, always in the firing line and collectively targeted for all the ills the Israeli government has inflicted on Gaza, this timely exhibition, "Drawings Against Genocide" arrives at the gallery almost simultaneously with the Golders Green attack. Unbelievable hate filled tropes that have been passed down through history time again and again. Would it be tolerated against any other demographic? for example, different genocides, such as the one going on in Sudan, the rage level for those other atrocities where are they? and how would the supporters of this exhibition react if the perpetrators of similar acts of ethnic cleansing/genocide were cast in such a way to slur an entire race or ethnicity?

*Thread title edited by GNHQ to reflect the fact the exhibition is not at the Tate gallery*

MT62 Tue 31-Mar-26 12:58:08

I think it’s disgusting. Can you imagine if it was the other way round & it was Muslims being depicted in this manner 😩

Oreo Tue 31-Mar-26 12:52:00

Such choice of interpretations! Yet the ogre wears a Jewish hat.
🤔

Allira Tue 31-Mar-26 12:49:15

And this is why anti-semitism continues. 🤔

LemonJam Tue 31-Mar-26 12:46:32

I'm sure many in this country have learned a great deal from the holocaust.

The Kindlifresserbrunnen is an art form sculpture in Bern. some interpret it as "blood libel" against Jews, but some do not. In a similar way the exhibition in Kent is interpreted by some to be anti semitic but not by the police or everyone else. In perspective- the sculpture in Bern has been allowed to stand in place for almost 500 years - the exhibition in Kent lasted one week and has now ended.

From Wikipedia:
"The Kindlifresserbrunnen is a painted stone fountain at the Kornhausplatz (Granary Place) in Bern, Switzerland. It is one of the Old City of Bern's fountains from the 16th century.
Creation and naming. It was created in 1545–1546 by Hans Gieng to replace a wooden fountain from the 15th century. The new fountain's original name was Platzbrunnen (Plaza Fountain); the current name was used first in 1666. Kindli is a Swiss German diminutive for the German word Kind, meaning child. A literal translation of the name Kindlifresserbrunnen therefore would be "Fountain of the Eater of Little Children".

Interpretations
The fountain sculpture depicts a seated ogre devouring a naked child. Placed at his side is a bag containing more children. Because the ogre is wearing a pointed hat resembling a Jewish one,[1] it has been speculated[2] about the possibility of the ogre being the depiction of a Jew as an expression of blood libel against Jews. Another theory is that the statue is the likeness of Krampus, the beast-like creature from the folklore of Alpine countries thought to punish children during the Christmas season who had misbehaved. According to other theories it is a depiction of the Greek god Cronus eating his children or the Roman Saturn eating the months, though Cronus should have six and Saturn twelve rather than the sculpture's eight.[3]
Another theory is that it represented Cardinal Schiner who led the Swiss Confederation into several bloody defeats in Northern Italy. An alternative theory is that it is a depiction of the older brother of Duke Berchtold (founder of Bern) who it is claimed, was so incensed by his younger brother's overshadowing of him that he collected and ate the town's children. Such an incident is not recorded in Bern's history books.[4] A final theory is that it is just a carnival character intended to frighten disobedient children.[3]
Another theory is the eight children depict the eight cantons of the Old Swiss Confederacy and the Ogre is an enemy (possibly Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy) trying to gobble the cantons up. This would match with the fountain's base which shows a frieze of armed bears going to war, including a piper and a drummer.

Allira Tue 31-Mar-26 12:25:35

silverlining48

Grimm brothers and others fairy tales were full of terrible things happening to children to frighten them into behaving well were encourage them to behave .
All over southern Europe has these ancient statues from those times.

ancient statues

Yes, this one is 16th Century.

Whether or not it depicts a Jewish person is debatable.

The point is, this so-called 'art' exhibition is now, in this country.
Have we learned nothing from the Holocaust?

silverlining48 Tue 31-Mar-26 12:17:50

Grimm brothers and others fairy tales were full of terrible things happening to children to frighten them into behaving well were encourage them to behave .
All over southern Europe has these ancient statues from those times.

Allira Tue 31-Mar-26 12:04:09

nanna8

Bern in Switzerland? But I don’t think it is connected with Jewish people. An ogre eating children.

Yes, Bern in Switzerland.

A bogey man scaring children into behaving. The ogre is wearing a Jewish-style hat but that could be coincidence.

Allsorts Tue 31-Mar-26 05:02:41

I cannot understand why such an exhibition is tolerated, surely its a hate crime, says a lot about the mint set of the so called artist. Lets hope it is removed.

twaddle Tue 31-Mar-26 03:32:59

MartavTaurus

Sounds like he's the one having the hysterical rant, just as much as the media and others he criticises. Of course its antisemitism, couched in the very loose definition of a piece of Art. My foot!

Artworks inciting hatred of Jews are universal and have been around since medieval times. They are particularly present in Germany, France and the UK. The same sculpture I mentioned was 16th century. Its too convenient to say the painting is just a depiction of the current situation.

If you mean the "Kindlifresser" in Bern, it's speculation that the child-eating monster is Jewish. Not only artwork inciting hatred of Jews, but the German-speaking world (especially South Germany/Austria) is full of folklore of monsters intended to frighten children to make them behave.

nanna8 Tue 31-Mar-26 02:17:05

MartavTaurus

Thanks nanna8. Switzerland.
When you're on a coach tour of Bavaria, Austria and Switzerland, aged 12 or 13, you don't actually remember where every statue you saw was. But you do remember the stories you were told. It terrified me for years.

That The Kindlifresser was built as a sort of warning to the Jewish community of Bern.
The Kindlifresser wears a hat that is strikingly similar to the yellow pointed Judenhut that Jews were forced to wear at that time to vilify them.

Sorry folks, I didn't have time to look all this up when I wrote it yesterday. Currently on a European river cruise. I can't always remember what one sees in which country, but this time I will because the boat in front of ours crashed on boulders in the river left after storms. The poor passengers had to be taken off, and no-one can now get up the river to the next country! Hey-ho!

A European river cruise is one of the best cruises I have ever been on. Absolutely wonderful - enjoy yourselves!

mae13 Tue 31-Mar-26 01:43:20

Never heard so much as a whisper about this exhibition, until this post.

MartavTaurus Tue 31-Mar-26 00:58:49

Thanks nanna8. Switzerland.
When you're on a coach tour of Bavaria, Austria and Switzerland, aged 12 or 13, you don't actually remember where every statue you saw was. But you do remember the stories you were told. It terrified me for years.

That The Kindlifresser was built as a sort of warning to the Jewish community of Bern.
The Kindlifresser wears a hat that is strikingly similar to the yellow pointed Judenhut that Jews were forced to wear at that time to vilify them.

Sorry folks, I didn't have time to look all this up when I wrote it yesterday. Currently on a European river cruise. I can't always remember what one sees in which country, but this time I will because the boat in front of ours crashed on boulders in the river left after storms. The poor passengers had to be taken off, and no-one can now get up the river to the next country! Hey-ho!

nanna8 Tue 31-Mar-26 00:24:47

Bern in Switzerland? But I don’t think it is connected with Jewish people. An ogre eating children.

Basgetti Mon 30-Mar-26 23:37:49

It is. But very vague. If I’d witnessed such a public “artwork” I’m pretty sure I would remember exactly where it was.

Wyllow3 Mon 30-Mar-26 23:34:34

Well unfortunatly, with the rise of the Far Right Nationalists in S Germany, it is credible.

Basgetti Mon 30-Mar-26 23:23:59

MartavTaurus

I read this a day or so ago. It's grotesque.

We went to a town in Southern Germany, may have been Austria, and there was a fountain with a bogeyman type Jewish figure eating babies and spitting them. Horrific.

It's all designed to incite hatred of innocent Jewish people. Makes me feel sick.

So which was it, Germany or Austria? What was the name of the town, please?

Oreo Mon 30-Mar-26 22:50:39

It was an item ( a true one) in the news, why wouldn’t they report it?
Newspapers are a business they’re there to sell them.

Galaxy Mon 30-Mar-26 22:49:57

I don't want the papers not to report this

ronib Mon 30-Mar-26 22:47:55

I don’t know if it’s accurate but the owner of the Joseph Wales Studios seems to be a Russian female artist …..

Wyllow3 Mon 30-Mar-26 22:47:00

All this is just giving publicity to it - thats the big mistake the Telegraph made making it such a big thing - do you think they really care however?

No, it was a story that would stir up controversy/sell papers.

Oreo Mon 30-Mar-26 21:12:12

The police would have acted if a group of people had complained and were noisy outside the gallery saying it was a disgrace.
Jewish people here in the UK tend to not want to draw attention to themselves.
Wonder why that is🤔

Oreo Mon 30-Mar-26 21:09:09

Magenta8

Oreo Unfortunately they will now after all the hype.

It’s a long way to go to see rubbish.

Maremia Mon 30-Mar-26 19:52:30

Thank you LemonJam.

LemonJam Mon 30-Mar-26 19:50:10

The police have acted/ investigated and concluded no evidence of a law being broken Maremia.

LemonJam Mon 30-Mar-26 19:48:58

commentators who viewed the exhibition, including the police viewed the art as against genocide and against Zionism. You conflate his art as support for Hamas and an anti semitic campaign. You are entitled to your view as he is to his view in the eyes of the law.