Do we want the US to financially support NATO?

fancythat

Someone said somewhere that Trump is not the centre of the universe.

He pretty much is right now.

I think it was Trump himself who said it. King of the World.

Only in his own mind fancythat.

petra

Casdon
A point I’ve been trying to make several times.

Yes, me too. I posted the contributions yesterday.

Trump is not the centre of the universe except in his own deluded mind fancythat, I am surprised if you believe that he is. His ‘reign’ is coming to an end very soon I suspect, and we can’t let him make fools of us all in the meantime.

Someone said somewhere that Trump is not the centre of the universe.

He pretty much is right now.

6You either have NATO or the USA leaves and you have something else^.

Yes. With the even worse scenario of the US joining Russia/helping them.
As seems to be happening even right now, with the lifting of Russian and Iraninan oil sanctions.

Do we want the US with NATO, or against it an other Countries as well.

DaisyAnneReturns

Casdon

I know what the origins of the Treaty were DaisyAnneReturns. However, I think it can be recreated in a way that minimises any potential triumphalism from Trump that he dismantled NATO. Keeping the name and aims without him is the most powerful thing the other NATO nations can do.

Good point. Do you think a little history could go with it?

I think we know how, when and why NATO was formed.

Casdon
A point I’ve been trying to make several times.

Yes, the US only pays 15% of the running costs now, it would be quite feasible to continue without the USA from that perspective. I think there is some confusion about the US domestic defence capability being equated directly with NATO, the size of the military is a choice they make rather than a requirement.

Casdon

I know what the origins of the Treaty were DaisyAnneReturns. However, I think it can be recreated in a way that minimises any potential triumphalism from Trump that he dismantled NATO. Keeping the name and aims without him is the most powerful thing the other NATO nations can do.

Good point. Do you think a little history could go with it?

Casdon

I know what the origins of the Treaty were DaisyAnneReturns. However, I think it can be recreated in a way that minimises any potential triumphalism from Trump that he dismantled NATO. Keeping the name and aims without him is the most powerful thing the other NATO nations can do.

Yes exactly so, and Trump will 🤞soon be gone. The next president may well apply to rejoin - national interest etc.. I actually don’t think that it is such a bad thing for the USA to leave and the existing members to reorganise and refund, and then stand on their own feet without the over powerful USA who often wagged the dog.

It was never an equal membership.

I know what the origins of the Treaty were DaisyAnneReturns. However, I think it can be recreated in a way that minimises any potential triumphalism from Trump that he dismantled NATO. Keeping the name and aims without him is the most powerful thing the other NATO nations can do.

In that sense it could be NATO Mark2, Casdon. But it does not then rest upon the reasoning for NATO. So few of those who have political "opinions" ever attempt to know the history behind the origins of such a once successful treaty though.

I think it’s still NATO, with or without the USA. If you look at the map, there are plenty of other North Atlantic countries, making up more than half of the land mass.

RosiesMawagain

It's an Alliance so I sort of thought the name was the clue.
Trump may think the US is invincible but I still believe united we stand etc etc

I agree. You either have NATO or the USA leaves and you have something else.

butterandjam For the obvious reason that by then, Britain was the only country in Europe that wasn't occupied by enemy forces. Where the USA could land, refuel and re-arm its bomber planes.

They couldn't fly bombers from USA across 3000 miles of atlantic, bomb Germany, and have enough fuel to fly back to USA.

Even eighty five years later little fighters have to be brought across by petrol planes, cargo planes still use the North Atlantic route (Canada, Iceland), the big bombers can fly to Fairford.

RAFLakenheath acquaintances say moving planes is quite a dance.

A new film 'Pressure' tells the very important part weather observers played on DDay

Cossy

Oreo I’m not insinuating they were trucked up costly sage, nor that they didn’t take part in combat, but like others, I did wonder why they were sent to England en masse rather than on the front line with us and our other allies?

The answer to your question, is no, I don’t know how many were killed whilst over here. But I can google and easily discover this.

For the obvious reason that by then, Britain was the only country in Europe that wasn't occupied by enemy forces.

Where the USA could land, refuel and re-arm its bomber planes.

Where the US could safely land its troop carrier planes, offload American troops then train them
in how to be landed into an enemy occupied country ( by
sea from a boat, or from a plane by parachute.)

They couldn't fly bombers from USA across 3000 miles of atlantic, bomb Germany, and have enough fuel to fly back to USA.

Allira

They went home and fought for the civil rights that they had been denied back home both for themselves and their families.

Indeed they did, they and their women!

They went home and fought for the civil rights that they had been denied back home both for themselves and their families.

And all their black servicemen could socialise freely with white women, buy a drink in a pub without being insulted, use the same public toilets, use the same water fountain.
And if they did ever use public transport not having to sit at the back of the bus and have to give up that seat if it was full and a white person wanted a seat 😡
It’s a wonder that the majority went home.

Oreo

They weren’t here doing nothing.
They built hundreds of air bases here as well as others, they used the bases for raids over Germany (air) and for building up army personnel to be sent across the Channel.

Agreed.

There were over 200 RAF airfields in the UK, most in East Anglia. Good access to the war. It wouldn't seem the airfields could be built, aircraft stored and maintained, people trained - in Europe.

They were also miserably from home, it seems to me.

Oreo

Do you mean Slapton Sands Allira or somewhere else?

Yes.

They were here waiting for their marching orders.And training.

More US deaths there too!

Do you mean Slapton Sands Allira or somewhere else?