Uk defences

Grandmabatty

Nanna8, your post was not clear that you were referring to governments and sounded very much like you were referring to military personnel, so to tell those to 'wind their necks in' is unnecessarily aggressive. You are, of course, entitled to comment on any threads, but most do so with a modicum of knowledge. Maybe best to stay away from threads where you only have opinion, not fact, to back you up

Probably I have a lot of knowledge about the uk. more than most because of various close connections and contacts which I would not divulge here. Anyway, you are free to think what you like, go for it. I agree that I should not have said ‘ wind your neck in’ but I was angry that people were thinking I lacked respect for those in the armed forces because that is very wide off the mark in my case.

Grandmabatty

Nanna8, your post was not clear that you were referring to governments and sounded very much like you were referring to military personnel, so to tell those to 'wind their necks in' is unnecessarily aggressive. You are, of course, entitled to comment on any threads, but most do so with a modicum of knowledge. Maybe best to stay away from threads where you only have opinion, not fact, to back you up

Opinions are very welcome here as long as one states it is their opinion or IMO to be clear to others. This forum is practically based on opinions. Thats what flows conversations. Debates are more factual. I like to enjoy the friendly opinions without negative emotions flying. ❤️ Gransnet and the variety of members.

The three oxen might be named Greeny, Canda and Cubey.

I don't know the name of the attacking lion. Maybe "Jaydee?"

(A baboon would be a compliment. I think you meant baffoon)

Nanna8, your post was not clear that you were referring to governments and sounded very much like you were referring to military personnel, so to tell those to 'wind their necks in' is unnecessarily aggressive. You are, of course, entitled to comment on any threads, but most do so with a modicum of knowledge. Maybe best to stay away from threads where you only have opinion, not fact, to back you up

Macaydia

If one of the four oxen were an orange-haired defective tiger in disguise, it might befriend the attacking lion, kill the remaining three oxen with his pack-mate then prohibit the regular lion from participating in the prey that was conquered.

That was my entire point, lions in disguise of Oxen!

That’s how I see Trump (not the USA), except that Trump is pretending to be an Oxen, thinking he’s a lion, but in reality he’s a baboon!

nanna8

Look. Just to set the record straight I would never, ever criticise serving military personnel. My parents both served and both put their lives on the line numerous times. So just pull heads in. What I meant was that the British armed services have been allowed to wither through lack of funding and support by governments of many persuasions and now they would not be in a position to fight as they once were. To say that I was criticising actual serving members is gaslighting in my book. I have the utmost respect for the lot of the. I think my time here is gradually coming to an end because I’m finding it hard to cope with being told to butt out. I love the UK but I detest your government and I thought I as entitled to say so. Clearly not.
👋 see ya.

Thank you for acknowledging this.

It’s actually previous govt’s, of all persuasions, who’ve failed to find our armed forces properly.

Look. Just to set the record straight I would never, ever criticise serving military personnel. My parents both served and both put their lives on the line numerous times. So just pull heads in. What I meant was that the British armed services have been allowed to wither through lack of funding and support by governments of many persuasions and now they would not be in a position to fight as they once were. To say that I was criticising actual serving members is gaslighting in my book. I have the utmost respect for the lot of the. I think my time here is gradually coming to an end because I’m finding it hard to cope with being told to butt out. I love the UK but I detest your government and I thought I as entitled to say so. Clearly not.
👋 see ya.

Here is an article from a reputable source France 24,about modern warfare using AI:

Streamlining the Kill Chain, how AI is changing modern warfare.

f24.my/BoaP

If one of the four oxen were an orange-haired defective tiger in disguise, it might befriend the attacking lion, kill the remaining three oxen with his pack-mate then prohibit the regular lion from participating in the prey that was conquered.

If the four oxen are only one lion (or tiger) then there will be a bloody war and whoever is continuing to feed the attacking lion will allow him to destroy the undernourished one.

If the four oxen are four lions then the attacking lion must make friends with elephants to boost their odds of defeating the others.

If the four oxen are penguins then they have no defense so they must surround themselves with friendly Maremma dogs to protect their lives.

nanna8

Well before that they defeated the Spanish Armada but these days they would probably have just hidden away and admitted defeat.

The Spanish Armada was mainly wrecked by bad weather in the Channel.

Macaydia

The Four Oxen and the Lion:

"A lion used to prowl about a field in which four oxen lived. Many a time he tried to attack them; but whenever he came near they turned their tails to warn each other, so that whichever way he approached he was met by the horns of one of them. But then the oxen quarreled and each went to their own corner of the field. The lion attacked them one by one and soon made an end of all four. United we stand, divided we fall."

What if one of the Oxen is actually a lion or tiger or a penguin?

The Four Oxen and the Lion:

"A lion used to prowl about a field in which four oxen lived. Many a time he tried to attack them; but whenever he came near they turned their tails to warn each other, so that whichever way he approached he was met by the horns of one of them. But then the oxen quarreled and each went to their own corner of the field. The lion attacked them one by one and soon made an end of all four. United we stand, divided we fall."

Petra I do get that us normal folks houses are all easily identifiable on Google maps, however, I don know about you, but I’m neither building illegal weapons nor advertising that I am.

I also understand about intel, and that the entire world probably has “spies” or “cells” in the countries of their perceived enemies.

However, that doesn’t really answer the question about why these highly effective and efficient people, along with their drones, continue to destroy civilian areas, unless it’s intentional.

Trump stated, very loudly and coherently (for once), that once the “leaders” in Iran were “taken out” he’d pull out along with
Netanyahu, this clearly didn’t happen any like it or not innocent Iranians are being killed.

nanna8

Well before that they defeated the Spanish Armada but these days they would probably have just hidden away and admitted defeat.

What a disgusting thing to say, you should be ashamed.

Hospitals nearly all have undercrofts, where all the wiring and plumbing is, underneath concrete floors, below ground level. I think that’s why they choose them as an undetectable location.

Cossy

I think, only my opinion of course, that’s there’s plenty which goes on “behind the scenes” about which many of us will never ever become aware, and, imo, this is how it should be.

Whilst I see no easy way to end any of these current wars, I’m sure some form of compromise will be reached eventually.

However, I simply cannot buy into both believing these drones etc are highly accurate AND that they are prone to “accidentally” wiping out civilians and buildings such as schools, offices and hospitals.

The other thing I struggle with, is how the buildings blown up are so easily identified as “important” buildings or some form of munitions factories, do they have big notices on their roofs? Blow Me Up?

I agree is hard to understand how civilian buildings like hospitals or schools can be hit when highly specialised tech is used which can target individuals quite successfully as we see with individual members of the regime being hit.
Either those launching the attacks aren’t too bothered about civilian casualties or this high tech weaponry is not always successful.

Cossy

I think, only my opinion of course, that’s there’s plenty which goes on “behind the scenes” about which many of us will never ever become aware, and, imo, this is how it should be.

Whilst I see no easy way to end any of these current wars, I’m sure some form of compromise will be reached eventually.

However, I simply cannot buy into both believing these drones etc are highly accurate AND that they are prone to “accidentally” wiping out civilians and buildings such as schools, offices and hospitals.

The other thing I struggle with, is how the buildings blown up are so easily identified as “important” buildings or some form of munitions factories, do they have big notices on their roofs? Blow Me Up?

That’s why countries have secret operatives in certain countries.
This is how they killed the last leader and his family in Iran.
It takes years to build up the intelligence needed to carry out these moves.
Anyone with internet access could find yours or my house.
Saterlite imaging.

I think, only my opinion of course, that’s there’s plenty which goes on “behind the scenes” about which many of us will never ever become aware, and, imo, this is how it should be.

Whilst I see no easy way to end any of these current wars, I’m sure some form of compromise will be reached eventually.

However, I simply cannot buy into both believing these drones etc are highly accurate AND that they are prone to “accidentally” wiping out civilians and buildings such as schools, offices and hospitals.

The other thing I struggle with, is how the buildings blown up are so easily identified as “important” buildings or some form of munitions factories, do they have big notices on their roofs? Blow Me Up?

Not me!

Doodledog

Do you honestly think that we can get to 'know things' by looking at google? If you do, I will leave it there, I think.

No me, Doodledog!

He always referred to Vauxhall Cross as the office
I remember hearing that too . Then I found out one of my book group worked for The Office too.
(FIL and aunt were both 6) 😉

Do you honestly think that we can get to 'know things' by looking at google? If you do, I will leave it there, I think.

From ^Allira I am getting accused of knowing too much[which is strange when she quotes that I dont know things[s

No, I'm not accusing you of anything! It is you who keeps telling us that everything is easily googled.

Which is why I advised you to 🤫 which means Shhhhh!
Careless Talk Costs Lives.

RosiesMawagain

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