Superstitious Idea About Trump

Mamie

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MaizieD

I'd agree with you, Caleo.

Here is Labour's opportunity to push, and vigorously invest in alternative energy production. It would not only cushion us against future oil shocks, but also provide much needed jobs and domestic industry.

But I'm sceptical (very) about claims that actively investing in renewable energy will mean lower bills........

My late father told me about government claims that nuclear power would mean lower bills (Ha!) and I remember, back in the 1960's, Harold Wilson's government claiming that North Sea gas and oil would mean lower bills and energy security (Ha!)

Surely the politicians couldn't have been lying?

Well having 75% nuclear energy certainly means lower electricity bills in France.

I agree with the arguments that endorse nuclear power: except that nuclear is an example of a solution to a problem that works, except that when it goes wrong it is a catastrophe.

A similar situation is a comparison of road travel and flying-----flying is so much better in many ways except that when an aeroplane crashes it's worse than a car crash.

mae13

MaizieD

I'd agree with you, Caleo.

Here is Labour's opportunity to push, and vigorously invest in alternative energy production. It would not only cushion us against future oil shocks, but also provide much needed jobs and domestic industry.

But I'm sceptical (very) about claims that actively investing in renewable energy will mean lower bills........

My late father told me about government claims that nuclear power would mean lower bills (Ha!) and I remember, back in the 1960's, Harold Wilson's government claiming that North Sea gas and oil would mean lower bills and energy security (Ha!)

Surely the politicians couldn't have been lying?

Well having 75% nuclear energy certainly means lower electricity bills in France.

MaizieD

I'd agree with you, Caleo.

Here is Labour's opportunity to push, and vigorously invest in alternative energy production. It would not only cushion us against future oil shocks, but also provide much needed jobs and domestic industry.

But I'm sceptical (very) about claims that actively investing in renewable energy will mean lower bills........

My late father told me about government claims that nuclear power would mean lower bills (Ha!) and I remember, back in the 1960's, Harold Wilson's government claiming that North Sea gas and oil would mean lower bills and energy security (Ha!)

Surely the politicians couldn't have been lying?

Maremia

Will be wonderful to have control over our energy needs, without relying on trading partners.

For that you will need nuclear power and further exploration for oil and gas on the British continental shelf.

Will be wonderful to have control over our energy needs, without relying on trading partners.

Renewable power & solar power are enormous sources of energies in Spain.

The solar energy supplies extended power to mobile phones and sources of light during the late hours.

Silver lining, the surge in demand for renewables.

I was reading an article the other day about how Trump's recent actions have led to a worldwide surge in demand for renewable energy solutions, especially for solar panels, and car dealers can't keep up with demand for electric cars.

We have solar panels plus a storage battery; no, they're not very productive from November through to Jan/Feb, but this is more than made up for by what they produce in the other months; according to our app, over the course of the year they provide 80% of our electricity - and in fact this month, which hasn't been particularly sunny, we've been 83% self-sufficient. We also have a gizmo attached to our water tank, so that once the battery is full then excess energy is diverted to the immersion heater: this supplies all of our hot water through the summer months, & in fact over the past couple of weeks (now that the sun is higher in the sky - the sun still gets through the clouds) we've only needed the boiler to heat our water for half the usual times.

Where does superstious come in to this discussion?

That makes sense.

RosiesMawagain

Not sure where superstition comes into this?

I think Caleo might mean Conspiracy theories, not superstitions.

Not sure where superstition comes into this?

There has been one feasibility
(Apologies, DH answered a question.)

One feasibility study after another

DH says the building costs would be very high, but, once built, the running costs would be low, as has been proved in France.

Casdon

The Severn Estuary is brackish water. It’s definitely feasible, lots of work has been done, it’s the cost and environmental concerns that have stopped it going ahead so far. This is the latest report.
www.severncommission.co.uk/

This has been ongoing for many years.

There has been one feasibility, and many objections, over years. Both sides have valid points.

With the lack of will to go ahead with any major infrastructure projects now, I can't see it going ahead, at least for many years.

Let’s hope we are still alive to tell the tale.

The i newspaper (24 March) and The Telegraph report that Lidl and Amazon plan to sell £400 plug in solar panels if they get government ok.

It reports that they are in talks with government at the moment.

Paragraph 2 refers to hydro power. Reading it through I see that this is not obvious.

You have to look on the water going through as free raw fuel for the generators. It would be running anyway, whether the turbines are making electricity or not - just as the wind will be blowing anyway, whether there are wind turbines or not. You dont need to buy in supplies of coal, oil, gas, or uranium rods, or whatever your generator consumes, and store them, and you don't have the negatives of polluting the atmosphere or of risking human error causing disaster, as in Chernobyl.

At night when less power is needed in the grid but the "free fuel" keeps pouring relentlessly through, that electricity can be used to pump the "free fuel" into a separate reservoir, where it stays in reserve until it is needed at peak hours, or in an unexpected surge, or if a summer drought lowers the water level in the usual reservoir, where the water gets used up by the continuous flow through the turbines.

If the wind is blowing a gale, the wind turbines have to be disconnected, so no "fuel" is used and the wind blows past and dissipates without generating any electricity. That "free fuel" has been lost.

If a lot of rain means the water reservoir gets too full, there are bypass channels which take the extra "free fuel" past the turbines, but the normal amount of water still keeps running through them, so electricity is still made.

Good to hear Elegran.

It has improved a lot already, in the 60 years that Cruachan has been on line. Cruachan 2 will be more efficient than Cruachan 1.

Yes, that's a feature of technology. It keeps improving.

But it is a way of meeting that demand, and the technology will improve with time.

Elegran Some storage systems use more power than they produce. When we visited Dinorwic we were told that the plant is a peak load station, only used when demand looks like exceeding supply. Water is pumped up the mountain and kept in a reservoir there so that it can be turned on an used when necessary and that more power is used pumping the water up than is actually produced when it is in action. However, this is still often the cheapest way to provide the extra electricity, often only needed for a short period.

It is an expensive way to meet peak demand.

I don't know if some people realise that solar panels are being fitted to fences now -

What about wind? And theft?

I don't know if some people realise that solar panels are being fitted to fences now - an alternative for those who don't have a roof that can support them or one that has the wrong aspect.

It is also possible (although expensive at the moment) to get a small wind powered generator for a garden. These are being developed in Japan but I don't think they are widely available at the moment. I read recently that in Germany where they have lots of flats plug in solar cells are being installed on balconies to help reduce the residents bills.

We had solar panels installed during lockdown, along with a battery. Since then we haven't had to pay for power for about eight months of the year, and that includes charging our electric car. (We still get the standing charge). Even in the Winter if there if it's reasonably bright we get some charge in the battery. We do sell some off but not a lot.