Sickening antisemitic attack.

Cossy, I'm loath to condemn BN outright for self interest, having learned in a recent documentary that his brother was the only Israeli soldier killed in the Entebbe airplane hostage liberation. Apparently the two brothers were very close and of course were children of the original '1948' generation, I think other things have to be taken into account.

Sadly, agree. I truly think his regime is making it worse for the Jewish diaspora worldwide. People shouldn't "make assumptions" - but they do.

Cossy 👏👏

eazybee

Netanyahu is at least defending his country; which is fighting for survival.
Trump is not.

I’m sorry to disagree but I don’t believe BN is defending “his country” I think he’s defending himself, I don’t believe he actually gives one fig for his country or those poor citizens living there.

This does not in any way excuse Hamas actions, or the Iranian regime.

Anniebach

Quote Cossy Tue 24-Mar-26 12:39:57
Anniebach
As Hamas wants to kill all Jews

Hamas are a vile and horrendous terrorist group.

Not every Palestinian citizen is, especially children.

I assume children didn’t vote for Hamas in June 2007

I would hope not!

Was it really a truly democratic election, do you think?

Or a “pseudo” democratic election where people (adults, parents of children) were instructed via fear of whom they should be voting?

I don’t know the answer.

I do know I really don’t like humans much sometimes, nor terrorists groups.

I wish I could very sure that people like Trump, Putin and Netanyahu acted in the very best interests of their own citizens, but I’m afraid I don’t believe that they do.

eazybee

Netanyahu is at least defending his country; which is fighting for survival.
Trump is not.

BN is defending himself and his allegedly equally corrupt wife. Longer this continues, longer they evade prosecution.

Sorry + of course I meant to type that anti semitism is as old as life

I know Al Jazeera is an globally accepted news platform, but did they not even stop to consider the locals of Golders Green might challenge the AJ camera team when it turned up after the arson attack? The AJ video appears to make the Jewish locals look like an intolerant mob when they tell the AJ team to 'Go back to Qatar' (Not surprising - AJ well known for its anti Jewish reportage, so I should think it was difficult for some locals to keep their cool at their presence).
Maybe the news team were sent because AJ guessed what would happen with locals, and thought it would make a great item to sell around the world.

Iam64

The line between criticising the actions of the current Israeli government and anti semitism isn’t imo increasingly thin. No other community in our country has guards at its schools and synagogues. Primary pupils in some Jewish schools practice hiding in case of attack.

Anti semitism isn’t imo as old as life. It was silenced to a large extent after the Holocaust but anti semites now shout loudly. The ancient tropes are spoken as truths.

Believing that all Jews are in accord with Netanyahu is the same as believing that all Muslims are bloodthirsty supporters of a Caliphate in the UK. When I was younger there could have been antisemitism but as a Jewish family we never felt subjected to it and our Muslim neighbours, we had a fair few because we were in a village near a large mill town which employed Pakistani workers due to a lack of workers after the war, could have been subjected to racism based upon their colour but their religion was never mentioned. It is geopolitics in the ME that has weaponised religion very much as in the holy crusades. And sadly now innocent Jews and Muslims are being targeted simply for being who they are.

The line between criticising the actions of the current Israeli government and anti semitism isn’t imo increasingly thin. No other community in our country has guards at its schools and synagogues. Primary pupils in some Jewish schools practice hiding in case of attack.

Anti semitism isn’t imo as old as life. It was silenced to a large extent after the Holocaust but anti semites now shout loudly. The ancient tropes are spoken as truths.

Netanyahu isn't defending his country; he is as Basgetti posted calculating and vicious.

That used to be a legal requirement, a tithe, but not sure when it ended.

Iam64

Wyllow3

ferry23

Strictly speaking, and although not specifically a law, Jews by tradition, give 10% of their income to charity, this is known as Tzedakah.

It is historically associated with Temple times, when farmers gave 10% of their produce to the Levites. (Descendants of Jacob's son Levi).

If it causes hardship to give 10% of income, then food or service is acceptable. In Judaism, charity is not seen as something extra that should be done, but a part of everyday life that is honest and moral.

Being charitable or helping others is a tenet of all major religions - but it seems it's Jews who get attacked for it.

And in my humble opinion, anyone who equates what's going on in the Middle East with ambulances, used and funded by volunteers, being blown to smithereens in Golders Green are as ignorant and bigoted as those who carried out this atrocity.

This shows a shocking level of ignorance, too

Did you not know that in Islam, giving 10% of ones income to charity to help the most needy is also required?

Both religions require this of and by the most faithful!!!

Wyllow, have I misunderstood your post? Are you accusing ferry of a shocking level of ignorance ? ferry posted “being charitable or helping others is a tenet of all major religions”

The same point has been made by other posters.

ferry posted “being charitable or helping others is a tenet of all major religions”

Yes and I remember when it was suggested at the C of E Church we attended when I was young, that the congregation give 10% of their earnings to the church instead of putting money into the collection each week. It was known as tithing.

However, as it was not clear what the money was intended for, several of the congregation decided this was something they could not afford to do. We used to help to do Church breakfasts on Sundays which was our contribution.

eazybee

Netanyahu is at least defending his country; which is fighting for survival.
Trump is not.

What?

'Being charitable or helping others is a tenet of all major religions
but it seems it's Jews who get attacked for it'
Not clear what you mean by this ferry23
One meaning could be that of the major religions only Jews are attacked for being generous
or
that only Jews are being attacked for belonging to a specific religious group
or something entirely different.

I was appalled when I first read about what was clearly a targeted attack on our beleaguered and increasingly vulnerable Jewish community. Continually in the firing line and expected to bear the collective guilt for whatever crimes the Israeli government is committing. As Oreo stated up -thread, "there was never a golden age where anti semitism didn't exist" The resonance of history repeating itself again and again against the Jewish community, to make them feel marginalised and at times ensuing isolation and fear is utterly horrible. There are small enclaves of their people scattered throughout Britain, I've seen up close motorcades going around unchallenged into an area where Jewish people are just going about their lives, to intimidate them. Worse still those who do that appear to get away with it.

Quote Cossy Tue 24-Mar-26 12:39:57
Anniebach
As Hamas wants to kill all Jews

Hamas are a vile and horrendous terrorist group.

Not every Palestinian citizen is, especially children.

I assume children didn’t vote for Hamas in June 2007

Wyllow3 - I thank you not to accuse me of being ignorant. You clearly didn't read my post properly. Your posts are frequently open to criticism and at odds with what I would consider to be balanced and well judged comments, but never would I dream of accusing you of ignorance.

I may now however accuse you of being very rude.

Wyllow3

ferry23

Strictly speaking, and although not specifically a law, Jews by tradition, give 10% of their income to charity, this is known as Tzedakah.

It is historically associated with Temple times, when farmers gave 10% of their produce to the Levites. (Descendants of Jacob's son Levi).

If it causes hardship to give 10% of income, then food or service is acceptable. In Judaism, charity is not seen as something extra that should be done, but a part of everyday life that is honest and moral.

Being charitable or helping others is a tenet of all major religions - but it seems it's Jews who get attacked for it.

And in my humble opinion, anyone who equates what's going on in the Middle East with ambulances, used and funded by volunteers, being blown to smithereens in Golders Green are as ignorant and bigoted as those who carried out this atrocity.

This shows a shocking level of ignorance, too

Did you not know that in Islam, giving 10% of ones income to charity to help the most needy is also required?

Both religions require this of and by the most faithful!!!

Wyllow, have I misunderstood your post? Are you accusing ferry of a shocking level of ignorance ? ferry posted “being charitable or helping others is a tenet of all major religions”

The same point has been made by other posters.

Wyllow3

I'm always appalled when any minority group is attacked in vile and horrible ways.

Have been since my Dad talked about the hostility from some when he helped Jewish refugees post WW2. Mum and Dad were involved in the Peace Movements with Quakers and other very significant figures.
I have no doubt at that time it came from the remnants of the right Wing Moseley crew or just wanton ignorance, and to some extent, still does.

Then there were the "No blacks" notices in windows and Enoch Powells rivers of blood speech. Prejudice and hate have always been with us sometimes from those living here for many generations and sometimes between different groupings.

So now I find myself disgusted by any terrorist or hate attacks on any group that has sought to live in peace in our country, in stead of seeking to know and understand each other.

I have no doubt that what is happening abroad is related to what happens at home in terms of taking dislike or hate into violence: we can do at home is consider it absolutely beyond the pale, and seek to continue to build bridges wherever possible, and seek out and punish those who transgress in the strongest of ways.

And for me that includes not just violent actions, but the SM and other means: I mean only SM and speeches that directly whip up hatred and plans or co-ordinate attacks against groups or individuals.

We have to look at the climate that these attacks occur in, be it at home, or news from abroad, and act accordingly.

What little can we do, but try and build bridges where possible in personal and political ways? Contribute financially if we can.

I know this post comes across as stiff and theoretical, but to me it's not, believe me. Its been lifelong.

Well said

I was very careful to put that being charitable and helping other is a tenet of all major religions

Some of you must have not read my post properly.

Anniebach

As Hamas wants to kill all Jews

Hamas are a vile and horrendous terrorist group.

Not every Palestinian citizen is, especially children.

And many Christian denominations encouraged 'tithing', it's not exclusive to Jews and Muslims, I think the 10% to charity is quite widespread amongst religions.

The thing is none of this is to do with religion.
Is to do with power and greed.

ferry23

Strictly speaking, and although not specifically a law, Jews by tradition, give 10% of their income to charity, this is known as Tzedakah.

It is historically associated with Temple times, when farmers gave 10% of their produce to the Levites. (Descendants of Jacob's son Levi).

If it causes hardship to give 10% of income, then food or service is acceptable. In Judaism, charity is not seen as something extra that should be done, but a part of everyday life that is honest and moral.

Being charitable or helping others is a tenet of all major religions - but it seems it's Jews who get attacked for it.

And in my humble opinion, anyone who equates what's going on in the Middle East with ambulances, used and funded by volunteers, being blown to smithereens in Golders Green are as ignorant and bigoted as those who carried out this atrocity.

This shows a shocking level of ignorance, too

Did you not know that in Islam, giving 10% of ones income to charity to help the most needy is also required?

Both religions require this of and by the most faithful!!!