Starmer rebukes Trump

There's very little calm about Starmer. He looks petrified. The rest of Europe seem to be able to support Cyprus. We couldn't even give permission to allow use of our airbase. We were not asked to join in with fighting. And now he looks like a real plum as his beloved EU are acting on our behalf.

I doubt very much that anyone wants war. But it is what it is. Starmer is now sending planes out there now he's seen the rest of Europe are acting.

This has been planned for years. This is nothing to do with the Epstein files or elections. I find it hard to believe folk believe that.

Margaret007

Well come the day we are threatened by a larger foreign power I for one hope Donald Trump and the U.S are on our side.

Trump has frequently said that the US can stand alone, they have had enough of helping when other countries are under attack, in future we are on their own. He seems to think the special relationship only works one way, that he can demand support but not give it. He is on no-one's side but his own.

I did not think Starmer looked at all scared.

I think he did the right thing in calling a Press Conference and he answered questions professionally and fully.

He has given approval for our troops to shoot down drones and for our bases to be used, he hasn’t approved our troops joining the USA and Israel in bombing Iran.

I, for one agree, Israel and US as allies bombing the hell out of Iran is madness and Trump has already done more than he says they set our to do, he claims he just wanted to kill the current leader and his cronies, he’s already done that, this is nothing about helping ordinary Iranians, he and his buddy Natunyahu, in my opinion, couldn’t give a stuff about any ordinary citizen’s welfare, including their own countrymen. Their actions in the recent past make this very clear.

Yet another unstable situation which will have far reaching effects and involve other countries and their citizens.

REKA this war hasn’t be planned for years, the very reason it has caught everyone on the back foot is because it wasn’t planned at all. For years US presidents have favoured diplomacy with Iran for reasons we can see all too clearly now. Even Trump chose diplomacy up until a few days ago. Netanyahu has been baying for this war for years, that much is true but previous presidents would find a way to rein him in.
And if this is about regime change/helping ordinary Iranians why were those living in one of the most densely populated cities in Iran, and indeed the region, not given warning so that they could leave, as happened last year when there were strikes in Iran. They are now trapped with bombs dropping on them day and night. Seems like a weird kind of liberation to me. More like elimination.

How many alternative realities we inhabit REKA.

Whitewavemark2

freya you are teaching your grandmother etc. - what you have complained about not happening is exactly what is actually happening - all of it.

The only thing the U.K. is NOT doing is pre-emptive strikes which are illegal.

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Fallingstar

REKA this war hasn’t be planned for years, the very reason it has caught everyone on the back foot is because it wasn’t planned at all. For years US presidents have favoured diplomacy with Iran for reasons we can see all too clearly now. Even Trump chose diplomacy up until a few days ago. Netanyahu has been baying for this war for years, that much is true but previous presidents would find a way to rein him in.
And if this is about regime change/helping ordinary Iranians why were those living in one of the most densely populated cities in Iran, and indeed the region, not given warning so that they could leave, as happened last year when there were strikes in Iran. They are now trapped with bombs dropping on them day and night. Seems like a weird kind of liberation to me. More like elimination.

Sadly, I agree. I see yet more unnecessary deaths. I don’t agree with US/Israeli strikes, that doesn’t mean I think, condone or agree with the regime in Iran (or many other countries, for that matter!)

I loathe the regime Cossy, and would like nothing more than for the Iranian people to rise up with a suitable grass roots opposition and leader, albeit that they would have had to stay underground, and if western governments then helped them get rid of the regime I would be over the moon.
Regime change is for the Iranians to initiate.
As Starmer said you can’t intiate regime change from the skies you can only drop bombs.

theworriedwell

imaround

Thank you to Starmer and the people of Great Briton for trying to keep our soldiers, and yours, safe.

They deserve better than to be ruled by this monster. 6 US soldiers have already been killed for this illegal war, and these soldiers can not deny orders.

Soldiers can and should refuse to obey illegal orders. Following orders is no excuse for war crimes.

I agree. Soldiers have been filing complaints for a year, but since those end with Trump & company nothing is being done. They are following the proper channels. These soldiers would end up in Leavenworth for not following orders and desertion until such time as a new Administration came in and released them.

I hope when the time comes, these soldiers do the right thing.
But it isn't so black and white, like everything else in the world. They certainly wont be refusing to get on the planes now will they? How would that work out for them I wonder?

One USA army officer is seen on video being forced out of a meeting for objecting to the war. He tried to resist the expulsion,and from the audio, it seems his hand/wrist was broken.

That is true Maremia. The Senator and his guards broke this veterans hand while trying to eject him from a meeting after he objected to the war.

So.if you oppose the Trump regime you get hurt?

This is just the first article that popped up with the video.

A sitting US Senator broke a US Veterans hand for opposing the war.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tim-sheehy-iran-war-protester-senate-b2932413.html

AGAA4

So.if you oppose the Trump regime you get hurt?

Or killed.

That's barbaric. What is Trump doing to the US.

imaround

That is true Maremia. The Senator and his guards broke this veterans hand while trying to eject him from a meeting after he objected to the war.

It seems nobody can protest without suffering injury or murder. Were enough people restraining the Marine, this should not have happened.

I wish the others in the room, who were calling out to stop hurting him, could have done more.

ViceVersa

nanna8

The majority support Starmer? That’s not what we’re hearing over in NZ and Oz. I think he is absolutely and unequivocally the worst PM you have ever had. Still, Im obviously in a minority.

The worst PM we've ever had? I'm not even a particular fan of his, but you're got to be joking there!

Nanna is right, as decided by most of the UK population. See the polls. Ask the person in the street.

He has terrible personal poll ratings Freya and on a purely anecdotal basis I know plenty of Labour voters who like me are beyond disappointed with Starmer.Have read the same by many posters on this forum too.

Casdon

Whitewavemark2

I actually think that there is a lot of enthusiasm for warmongers on these threads. Provided of course that they don’t have to take part , but can sit on the sidelines snipping.

There is very little enthusiasm for diplomacy.

You may be right Whitewavemark2. Whatever people think though I’d prefer if they just gave their views instead of constantly bemoaning what they don’t like, but offering no alternatives.

Seeing as non of us are in Government, it doesn't really matter what we say, does it. Whatever alternatives from us will not be listened to. We still have freedom of speech, so are entitled to say exactly as we please.
As Ricky says" just because you're offended, does not make you right".
Again anyone who disagrees with starmer, actually a puppet of hermet and milliband, who were not elected to govern but seem to have too much clout, you class as a warmonger. Disgraceful.still expect nothing else from you and w2.

AGAA4

The ship you talk about going to Cyprus is being loaded with ammunition and will be there next week not in a fortnight.
The MOD is intercepting drone attacks on Cyprus. There are RAF typhoons already deployed

Wow that's amazing preparation.

Freya anyone used to forums takes jaw dropping comments with a hefty pinch of salt

It makes you realise how little the UK now has for defensive purposes.We have nuclear, yes, but as we see, you actually need ships as well. Conventional weapons and manpower.
When Greece ( Greece!) and France can send ships before we can it’s coming to something.

Starmer is unable to lead his Cabinet, let alone the Country. Cometh the hour, cometh the man? So much for that aphorism, Starmer has proved it wrong!

At least he's not in the Epstein Files.