Rupert Lowe makes Nigel Farage look like a raging leftie

Freya5

M0nica

Margaret007

Totally agree with Sarnia
When a lady can't quote the bible in England on the street then we are in a very volatile, dangerous situation.
We need a new positive direction and that's Reform.

It was a man doing the preaching. It was the police officer who was female, and he did continue to preach.

It is difficult to think of any area in England inhabited mainly by practicing evangelical Christians, but if a Christian were to go to a heavily Jewish area and try to evangelise and preach just outside a synagogue, on their holy day, I think they would meet objections., and I would think that reasonable.

To my mind for anyone of any religious belief to go into the heart of an enclave of another religious group on their holyday and stand out side their place of worship and preach, is an act of passive aggression.

You mean like the Muslims praying masses in the grounds of Westminster abbey. That was an outright intimidation if ever there was one.
Look what politicians, especially the arch pro immigration Blair, has enabled into our country. Sectarianism. I await the clash between the two tribes of Iran, the terror lovers, and those against, bloody great.
In 70 odd years have never seen anything like it. That soldier veteran was absolutely spot on with what he said.

Struggling to comprehend these incoherent ramblings. Who was bothered by Muslims praying?

Who loves terror please? Do you mean people on this site?

Freya5: "You mean like the Muslims praying masses in the grounds of Westminster abbey. That was an outright intimidation if ever there was one. Look what politicians, especially the arch pro immigration Blair, has enabled into our country. Sectarianism. I await the clash between the two tribes of Iran, the terror lovers, and those against, bloody great.
In 70 odd years have never seen anything like it. That soldier veteran was absolutely spot on with what he said"

This is incoherent Freya5.

I'm not altogether sure I'm worried about praying. It's a peaceful occupation and Muslims do worship the same god as Christians.

We may have the same God but Muslims seems to have more passion and zeal for their Prophet and feel they have the sort of missionary zeal that Christianity has moved on from.
The terrorist cells are frightening to the West and must be stopped.
Why all this blowing up? Can anyone explain this logic?

Incidentally, elections are won by the amount of money spent on them
Billionaires the Reuben Bros. have switched their hefty donations from Labour to Reform.
Starmer is currently telling us we are "worried sick". Speak for yourself, I say.

Sorry, Boz, Muslims I know are perfectly peaceable.

Boz

Incidentally, elections are won by the amount of money spent on them
Billionaires the Reuben Bros. have switched their hefty donations from Labour to Reform.
Starmer is currently telling us we are "worried sick". Speak for yourself, I say.

I disagree. Money certainly helps, But I doubt if all the money in the world could get Jeremy Corbyn's 'Your Party' elected for example

Boz

Incidentally, elections are won by the amount of money spent on them
Billionaires the Reuben Bros. have switched their hefty donations from Labour to Reform.
Starmer is currently telling us we are "worried sick". Speak for yourself, I say.

Donations follow the party that backers think is more likely to win, generally speaking. Many backers aren’t loyal, and if they think Reform, Labour, or the Tories are likely to win they will switch funding and allegiance at any point.

I should make it clear I was not talking about UK or Australia when I mentioned Christian persecution. Least not yet. More China, Africa and some other Asian countries. I have a friend who was arrested and deported from China for ‘spreading’ Christian doctrine. A very mild mannered woman with her husband. Imprisoned first.

Least not yet

So you anticpate people being arressted in the UK for being Christians?

nanna8

I should make it clear I was not talking about UK or Australia when I mentioned Christian persecution. Least not yet. More China, Africa and some other Asian countries. I have a friend who was arrested and deported from China for ‘spreading’ Christian doctrine. A very mild mannered woman with her husband. Imprisoned first.

But Christians have been persecuted right back to Roman times, when they were driven into the arena to be attacked by wild animals or set on fire to light the proceedings

This is why so much is made of Christian martyrs throughout all denominations through all their existence. China has been deporting foreign missionaries and torturing and killing Chinese and foreign Christians since 1949 when Mao Zedong led the successful communist takeover of the country.

As a child in Hong Kong in the early 1950s. I can remember photographs in the papers of the starved tortured Missionaries coming off the nightly Beijing - Hong Kong train each morning, being met by ambulances, I am a catholic and we had a bishop appointed who was on the Mainland in Chinese hands when when he was appointed. When he was released. It was six months, several months in hospital before he was well enough to even begin to take on his new role.

M0nica

Margaret007

Totally agree with Sarnia
When a lady can't quote the bible in England on the street then we are in a very volatile, dangerous situation.
We need a new positive direction and that's Reform.

It was a man doing the preaching. It was the police officer who was female, and he did continue to preach.

It is difficult to think of any area in England inhabited mainly by practicing evangelical Christians, but if a Christian were to go to a heavily Jewish area and try to evangelise and preach just outside a synagogue, on their holy day, I think they would meet objections., and I would think that reasonable.

To my mind for anyone of any religious belief to go into the heart of an enclave of another religious group on their holyday and stand out side their place of worship and preach, is an act of passive aggression.

Agreed. It's absolutely and deliberately provocative, on a holy day, whoever is doing it.

Luckygirl3

I am very happy for people to join his new party, thus splitting the risible rampant right and reducing the electoral danger from Reform. All power to his elbow I say!

From a political standpoint, I agree, from a moral and person perspective it’s utterly horrifying!

Still, whilst I agree there are pockets of (utterly vile) supporters, like Reform, it’ll be a long slow climb to gain anywhere near enough votes to form a government, his “supporters” are more likely to come from Reform, than anywhere else.

All sorts of things are provocative, so what. I don't want to live in a country where we police the 'provacative' .

MaizieD

Sorry, Boz, Muslims I know are perfectly peaceable.

Me too and furthermore they don’t preach in public nor knock on doors trying to force their faith on others!

Basgetti

No, sixandhalf. He had lovely blonde hair and dazzling blue eyes. You’ve obviously not seen the paintings and movies 😉

And Mary was always blond in our school nativity plays.
That’s why I didn’t get a look in 😥

Cossy

MaizieD

Sorry, Boz, Muslims I know are perfectly peaceable.

Me too and furthermore they don’t preach in public nor knock on doors trying to force their faith on others!

But the Jehovah Witnesses do not go around frightening people with violent extremism, do they.

Galaxy 10.01: "All sorts of things are provocative, so what. I don't want to live in a country where we police the 'provacative'" .

If you live in the UK you are in fact living in a country where provocative actions and behaviours ARE policed. If you do not want police protection or don't like living in the UK as a result of such policing actions that is entirely up to you.

Policing provocative actions and behaviour in the UK involves balancing the protection of public order, preventing hate crimes, and upholding freedom of expression under the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). Police powers in this area are primarily derived from the Public Order Act 1986 and the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014, with recent updates focusing on curbing "serious disruption" during protests.

Key Legal Frameworks: Public Order Act 1986 (Sections 4, 4A, 5): Section 4 (Fear or provocation of violence): Criminalises threatening, abusive, or insulting words or behaviour with the intent to cause another to believe immediate unlawful violence will be used.
Section 4A (Intentional harassment, alarm, or distress): Covers behaviour intended to cause harassment, alarm, or distress.
Section 5 (Harassment, alarm, or distress): Covers disorderly behaviour or abusive words within the sight or hearing of a person likely to be caused alarm or distress.
Public Order Act 2023: Strengthens police powers to manage protests, including new offences for interfering with key national infrastructure and tools to prevent "serious disruption".
Breach of the Peace: Police can intervene or make arrests if an individual's conduct causes or threatens to cause harm to a person or their property. This requires a fear of immediate violence.
Anti-Social Behaviour (ASB) Powers: Section 34 of the 2014 Act allows officers to disperse people engaging in or likely to engage in anti-social behaviour.
Non-Crime Hate Incidents (NCHIs): These are recorded when a person expresses a view, even legally, that is perceived as hostile. Police are instructed to act proportionally to avoid a "chilling effect" on free speech.

Key Areas of Focus for Police
Protests and Demonstrations: While peaceful protest is protected, police can restrict activities that cause serious disruption or use violence.
"Stirring Up" Offences: Sections 18 and 29B of the Public Order Act 1986 make it an offence to use words or behaviour intended to stir up racial or religious hatred.
Online Behaviour: Police investigate, and can arrest, individuals for online posts deemed offensive or threatening, with a growing focus on potential criminality in online speech.
Domestic Abuse: Officers are trained to spot controlling or coercive behaviour, which can include psychological abuse and monitoring, even without physical violence.
Misogyny and Public Protection: Following 2021/2023 guidance, police in England and Wales are increasing action against predatory and misogynistic behaviour, treating it as a priority to build trust.

Policing Standards and Challenges
Objectivity: Police must remain impartial and avoid becoming "arbiters of truth" when dealing with controversial views, ensuring that lawful but offensive speech is not wrongly criminalised.
"Reasonable" Conduct: The law allows a defence if the accused can prove their behaviour was reasonable.
Use of Force: Any use of force by police to manage behaviour must be necessary, proportionate, and reasonable.
Officer Conduct: The College of Policing requires officers to act with professionalism, avoiding discriminatory behaviour and maintaining a "call it out" culture regarding sexism and misogyny.

Recent Developments
2024–2025 Focus: Increased scrutiny on police handling of public disorder, with recommendations to improve intelligence on serious protests and manage the rise in violent, extreme-belief protests.
Weapon Search Powers: As of December 2023, police have extended stop-and-search powers to seize items intended for use in protest-related disruption.

Yes i know all that strangely enough, the non crime hate incidents were a particular disaster for women. Partly why they have re evaluated the recording of them.

Spectacular success as well on the police's 'call out culture of misogyny'.
That has gone as well as Trumps non military intervention in foreign affairs.

Sarnia

He speaks for an awful lot of people who agree wholeheartedly with his views.
A couple of weeks ago a female police officer was called to Whitechapel because things were getting out of hand when a white man stood on the street speaking about the Gospel. He was being heckled by a large number of men who informed her that this are was now Muslim. She did an excellent job in talking them down but it is incidents like this that ignite so much concern for many people about where our country is heading. Incidents like this are right up Rupert Lowe's street. He is saying all the things that some people want to hear right now. Restore UK will appeal to many.

I’m sorry, I simply don’t agree he speaks for a “lot of people” sadly these minorities appear to shout the loudest and get most media cover. Reminds me of Mosley and he didn’t succeed because decent folk rose up and together prevented him and his thugs from marching through the Jewish area.

Boz

Cossy
MaizieD
Sorry, Boz, Muslims I know are perfectly peaceable.
Me too and furthermore they don’t preach in public nor knock on doors trying to force their faith on others!
But the Jehovah Witnesses do not go around frightening people with violent extremism, do they.

Neither do most Muslims, I think, Boz, you are confusing Islam with Isis!

M0nica

I am interested in hearing about how he intends to restore Christianity to a country where the majority of the population have no religious beliefs at all and are, mostly, unaware of the precepts of this religion.

I am a Christian, but I am a realist.

He is harking back to a period that never existed and functioned in a world with out modern methods of communication and ways of life, where you tugged your forelock when you saw the suire and the cane/ruler(mainly in girls schools) was used as a means of discipline in most schools.

I certainly don’t wish to return to these days, it’s impossible to go back.

Many, many people have such “rose coloured spectacles” when looking back to the “good old days”

So many deliberately spreading fear on social media. I live in a multicultural town. There’s very little trouble except the odd ‘youth nuisance’. We have an asylum hotel on the outskirts and the elderly from our community centre have been donating games, clothes, bikes, etc.

Then last weekend we were invaded by various far right groups who donned masks, waved flags, gave nazi salutes and chanted racist slogans outside our town hall. Bussed in from afar.

This is not on.

I agree absolutely M0nica and Cossy.
I am in my seventies, so remember well the Golden Halcyon Years for which Mr Lowe has such affection.
Women being beaten by their husbands were not worthy of police time ( just a domestic), poor women dying from back street abortions were not uncommon ( the rich, of course, had recourse to discreet clinics), homosexuality illegal, and signs in boarding houses No dogs, No blacks, No Irish..
I prefer the here and now, with all it's problems, thank you.