Former Prince Andrew has just been arrested in Norfolk

MartavTaurus

sixandahalf

Even Montbatten Windsor is a made up name.

Well, it is if you spell it wrong!
It's Mountbatten, not Montbatten.
It's a family name and comes from Battenberg. No, not the cake, but it's a town in the state of Hesse in Germany, where Berg means mountain.

All our surnames are "made up names" from various times in history, in fact not very long at all in some areas.

In Wales the patronymic system was used until right up to a couple of hundred years ago in some areas.
Some people's surnames derived from this jobs, their physical features, their location.

Today, some children have surnames made up from the surnames of both parents.

Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

Correct I think?

LemonJam

Tuliptree 13.50.

I have made absolutely no assumptions about your experience of the NHS. If the nHS has in any way fallen short, including the actions and behaviours of senior managers, CEO s etc of expected standards there are avenues of recourse you can take. The local PALs ( Patient advice and Liaison ) service can help you. They should be held to account if they have fallen below expected standards just as AMW, as an INDIVIDUAL, previous RF family member is now being held to account by way of a police investigation.

I disagreed However with your assumption you detailed in your 11.22 post: "We know don’t we when an institution eg the Church, a hospital trust , the post office, the police have ‘problems’ then their survival becomes the most important thing to them. Not the truth, not public service, not ( heaven forbid) the public, but the institution".

Please just stop telling me about avenues of recourse that I know much about and have had to use far more than I would ever have wished. I just wanted to point out to you that I know about institutional failures in the health service from a variety of perspectives. And we all know about many well documented institutional failures within the police, the church, the post office for starters. The RF share many of the same failings and those that support them wear all the same blinkers.

sixandahalf

Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

Correct I think?

Nearly.
It was the House of Saxe-Coburg Gotha, introduced when Albert married Victoria, I believe. The Royal Family didn't have a surname until 1917 when they adopted Windsor.
Then double-barrelled it to Mountbatten-Windsor after the late Queen married Philip.

Our family surnames became Anglicised too.

Surnames are fascinating!

Apparently there is a legal entity called 'The Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty' where the UK could ask the USA to send them unredacted files from the Epstein cache to use in the investigation into AMW.

Thanks Maremia- MLATs- are great aren't they- particularly when informal police to police cooperation (Interpol) fails...

Let’s hope the UK has the nerve to apply the MLAT legislation to obtain the unredacted files from the USA. Would like to see some fairness and transparency for once.

There will be an enquiry about AMW as he spent excessive amounts of tax payers money on massages, hotel rooms and unnecessary travel. Whistleblowers said they tried to block his spending but someone senior allowed it.
BBC news.

buymeacoffee.com/elizabethsolaru/how-palace-controlled-media-decades-an-editor-speaks

The Palace have been controlling the media for decades. An editor speaks out!!!

The senior who allowed it also needs to be accountable.

As a former public servant, i can state we all knew that any fiddling of expenses would lead to being dismissed. Every team I worked on completed expenses forms monthly, mileage recorded along with any meals when away from base all day. Receipts for meals or sundry expenses attached to the form.

Ok we weren’t members of the royal family, or trade envoys but we were well aware our wages and expenses came from the public purse.

Treason is now being mentioned. Foreign influence and national security is being looked at.

It is suggested by Tugendhat that a committee of retired judges, MPs and peers be set up to look into both Mountbatten-Windsor and Mandelson and their wider links.

This crises is going to have serious implications both for the monarchy and Commonwealth.

Does anyone listen to listen to TRIP, and if so did anyone hear the suggestion that young children below the age of 9 (which at present is the youngest identified) were abused and killed?

This information has apparently been identified in the Epstein files.

Iam64

As a former public servant, i can state we all knew that any fiddling of expenses would lead to being dismissed. Every team I worked on completed expenses forms monthly, mileage recorded along with any meals when away from base all day. Receipts for meals or sundry expenses attached to the form.

Ok we weren’t members of the royal family, or trade envoys but we were well aware our wages and expenses came from the public purse.

Exactly . I knew personally the CEO of an NHS who went to prison for falsifying travel claims. I once lost a parking receipt and had to practically sign an affidavit to reclaim the £4.30 I’d spent. The funniest though was a colleague claiming for an evening meal. The receipt showed he’d had a rum baba and the expenses team disallowed it because of the no alcohol to be claimed for rule. ( he appealed and was successful )

LemonJam

Thanks Maremia- MLATs- are great aren't they- particularly when informal police to police cooperation (Interpol) fails...

MLATs frequently fail, interminably slow and often useless

And the CEO I mentioned lost of course his job, his reputation ( he’d been a pillar of the local community and high achiever) his house, his wife and children. He was a broken man and died not long after being released ( I think due to poor health). And all for about I think £60k. But he was responsible. Any cases I’ve dealt with where public money was defrauded were taken more seriously because of the breach of trust implicit in that situation. So welcome to the real world A

"Any cases I’ve dealt with"

Magistrate, Judge, Barrister.?

Oldfrill: "MLATs frequently fail, interminably slow and often useless".

Oh dear that's a shame. I know Interpol- police co-operation between countries can be difficult ...I thought MLATS though had a higher rate of success?

AMW was spending OUR money on his excessive amounts lifestyle. Wondering about taxes being spent on hotel rooms with what has been revealed about him.

Amounts is a phone error.

David49

"Any cases I’ve dealt with"

Magistrate, Judge, Barrister.?

Not telling

MLATs are reasonably successful on formal evidence gathering that is admissible in court- but yes can be extremely slow like all evidence gathering processes. They are legally binding though. For asset recovery they have a very low chance of success as do asset recovery efforts even within resident's country. In AMW case it would be used for the former...

The latest from the BBC
Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor charged taxpayers for massages and excessive travel costs while working as the UK's trade envoy, whistleblowing retired civil servants have claimed.
Andrew's role as trade representative was unpaid, but he had the support of civil servants and taxpayer funding for his overseas trips.

Once AMW has been dealt with, should there be an investigation into charges other unpaid trade representatives have charged to the taxpayer?

David, what’s lighting your blue touch paper on discussions about ANW.
Why should any poster identify their work title . Are you implying Tulip is telling fibs

I do not think AMW has much in assets to reclaim. He owns no property has no independent income bar his naval pension and state pension from the time he was in the navy, when he paid NICS. About £27,000 in total. Any money he inherited has gone in paying off VG.

Whether you believe AMW's denial of having sex with her or not, I think the huge payment she received as settlement was actually to buy her silence on all AMW's more extensive business and private dealings with Epstein more than stories of his sexual shenanigans. Now all these are being revealed and we are seeing the conseuences the revelations are having both privately and publicly. The cost of buying her silence makes sense.

Personally, I think the behaviour of SF in relation to Epstein is far more toe curling and embarrassing than anything AMW has done. While he was just indulging in a familiar male pattern of hoaring around with what ever was supplied. We have SF practically grovellling at Epstein's feet, and, I suspect, if given the chance, probably prepared to sacrifice her daughters to him. Or perhaps it was because that ever since she entered the public eye she has so often plumbed ever deeper depths of crass vulgarity than anyone could imagine or predict, that even the Epstein revelations do no longer shock us.