Green councillor gets grandkids to send Valentine cards to immigrants at Crowburgh

MartavTaurus

I doubt whether she went anywhere near the migrants with Valentines cards on Saturday. The press would have been out in full force to snap her and her grandchildren. It's not as if the party would look like the usual type of visitor!

That's a very good point.

Although, if she didn't want the publicity, why would she announce it beforehand?

"Look at me, what a kind and welcoming person I am❣"

ViceVersa

Some people are just like a dog with a bone...

Some people feel that prejudice should be called out. It far too dangerous to let it fester.

MartavTaurus

ViceVersa

Some people are just like a dog with a bone...

That's a good point! I forgot to give my beloved dog a Valentines Card!! Off to source a Boneo for him. 🐕

He's sulking now. He thought he was your one true love ❣

DaisyAnneReturns

And what do we make of people who don't discuss but make thinly veiled personal attacks MartavTaurus?

DaisyAnneReturns

And what do we make of people who don't discuss but make thinly veiled personal attacks MartavTaurus?

Indeed

Sorry the above should be to ViceVersa!

And what do we make of people who don't discuss but make thinly veiled personal attacks MartavTaurus?

MartavTaurus

DaisyAnneReturns

Cossy

DaisyAnneReturns

I'm not saying it wasn't and isn't "Basgetti". It was and still is but it also covers lots of other areas.

It certainly doesn't warrant the prejudice we can see on this thread.

I do agree with re the Valentine thingie now representing love of all kinds, not just carnal lust, bit I do think this woman chose the wrong way to send her welcome message!

I see this as a reasoned opinion that people may agree or disagree with, extend and/or discuss. But when posts start lumping entire cultures, religions or age groups together and implying they don’t share basic moral standards, that crosses into harmful stereotyping and prejudice. We can criticise actions without collectively condemning whole groups of people.

And you were very prejuduced in your comment about public school boys, which a couple of us have had no answer to when this was pulled up by us!
It works both ways.

I was. But that is just my point. They're the ones I felt I should avoid, because of my lived experience. But not all of them should tarred with the same brush.

Some on here are not even using lived experience as their base-line, which we all know can be flawed and biased. They are simply following the rhetoric of others.

My apologies for not replying earlier - I have a life that sometimes takes precedence over GN!

ViceVersa

Some people are just like a dog with a bone...

That's a good point! I forgot to give my beloved dog a Valentines Card!! Off to source a Boneo for him. 🐕

Some people are just like a dog with a bone...

MartavTaurus

Did you of course know that 85% of flowers are bought on Valentines Day by men! Romantic red roses symbolise carnal desire and intense passion.

That statistic doesn’t really establish your point. Even if most flowers are bought by men and red roses can symbolise passion, that doesn’t mean every Valentine’s gesture carries a carnal implication, especially when it’s clearly contextual, like children welcoming newcomers.

DaisyAnneReturns

Cossy

DaisyAnneReturns

I'm not saying it wasn't and isn't "Basgetti". It was and still is but it also covers lots of other areas.

It certainly doesn't warrant the prejudice we can see on this thread.

I do agree with re the Valentine thingie now representing love of all kinds, not just carnal lust, bit I do think this woman chose the wrong way to send her welcome message!

I see this as a reasoned opinion that people may agree or disagree with, extend and/or discuss. But when posts start lumping entire cultures, religions or age groups together and implying they don’t share basic moral standards, that crosses into harmful stereotyping and prejudice. We can criticise actions without collectively condemning whole groups of people.

And you were very prejuduced in your comment about public school boys, which a couple of us have had no answer to when this was pulled up by us!
It works both ways.

Basgetti

Sorry Daisy, but I think you’re flogging a dead horse. Valentine’s Day absolutely represents romantic love to the vast majority.
We waited outside of Glasgow Central station yesterday morning for our son. I was driving my husband and our son to the rugby.
As we waited, we observed a young man of perhaps 19 or 20 years, holding a box of chocolates and a bunch of roses. He looked uncomfortable, scanned up and down Hope Street. I said to my husband, “oh, look. Please don’t let him down”. It absolutely is still seen as representing romantic love to young people.

Yes! that's it in a nutshell of how Valentine's Day is celebrated HERE in Britain, an age old tradition that has been with us for centuries, which like everything else nowadays has a commercial element to it. It's a day dedicated to romantic love, that's how it resonates with the vast majority. If it's transitioned into something else, it's because of the desire to emulate America's take on it, which is quite distinct from ours. Their Valentine day appears to have morphed into some homespun whimsy that has become embedded in their culture.

By the way, just in case anyone construes that as being anti American, I'm not, I've been there many times, I think it's a great place, but we don't have to follow them like sheep and appropriate their take on a day that has been celebrated here in a different way.

Cossy

DaisyAnneReturns

I'm not saying it wasn't and isn't "Basgetti". It was and still is but it also covers lots of other areas.

It certainly doesn't warrant the prejudice we can see on this thread.

I do agree with re the Valentine thingie now representing love of all kinds, not just carnal lust, bit I do think this woman chose the wrong way to send her welcome message!

I see this as a reasoned opinion that people may agree or disagree with, extend and/or discuss. But when posts start lumping entire cultures, religions or age groups together and implying they don’t share basic moral standards, that crosses into harmful stereotyping and prejudice. We can criticise actions without collectively condemning whole groups of people.

I doubt whether she went anywhere near the migrants with Valentines cards on Saturday. The press would have been out in full force to snap her and her grandchildren. It's not as if the party would look like the usual type of visitor!

Basgetti

I’m not seeing prejudice at all.

I absolutely welcome immigration. Our nation is what it is because of it,

Children delivering cards on a day commonly associated with romantic love to young men is not appropriate.

Totally agree with every word of that.

DaisyAnneReturns

I'm not saying it wasn't and isn't "Basgetti". It was and still is but it also covers lots of other areas.

It certainly doesn't warrant the prejudice we can see on this thread.

I do agree with re the Valentine thingie now representing love of all kinds, not just carnal lust, bit I do think this woman chose the wrong way to send her welcome message!

Cumbrianmale56

The Greens, like Reform, contain some strange people. Locally I wouldn't vote for them as they are anti nuclear, which would devastate the local economy, but they have cranky people like this councillor and a leader who thinks legalising hard drugs will solve the drugs problem. To me they are a party I'd advise people to be very careful about voting for, and would advise voters on the left to either stick with Labour or vote Lib Dem.

I think ALL of our political parties contain “some” odd people.

If I didn’t support the party I support, I’d far rather give my vote to Green or Libs than Tories or Reform.

I think this women is misguided, not her entire party!

Did you of course know that 85% of flowers are bought on Valentines Day by men! Romantic red roses symbolise carnal desire and intense passion.

RosiesMawagain

In view of recent prosecutions of migrant sexual attacks on teenage girls (yes I know it’s not all of them) I would worry this was sending totally the wrong message.

I completely agree.

I don’t think this misguided woman intended for this to happen and clearly doesn’t understand how easily this message could be misunderstood.

Why a welcome card and some cakes could not suffice I don’t know.

Basgetti

Sorry Daisy, but I think you’re flogging a dead horse. Valentine’s Day absolutely represents romantic love to the vast majority.
We waited outside of Glasgow Central station yesterday morning for our son. I was driving my husband and our son to the rugby.
As we waited, we observed a young man of perhaps 19 or 20 years, holding a box of chocolates and a bunch of roses. He looked uncomfortable, scanned up and down Hope Street. I said to my husband, “oh, look. Please don’t let him down”. It absolutely is still seen as representing romantic love to young people.

How lovely!
I was out shopping on Friday and so many men were browsing the Valentine’s Day section and carefully choosing cards, flowers and chocolates. It most definitely is a very romantic gesture to a loved one or an indication that they have a secret admirer.

I’m not seeing prejudice at all.

I absolutely welcome immigration. Our nation is what it is because of it,

Children delivering cards on a day commonly associated with romantic love to young men is not appropriate.

I'm not saying it wasn't and isn't "Basgetti". It was and still is but it also covers lots of other areas.

It certainly doesn't warrant the prejudice we can see on this thread.

Sorry Daisy, but I think you’re flogging a dead horse. Valentine’s Day absolutely represents romantic love to the vast majority.
We waited outside of Glasgow Central station yesterday morning for our son. I was driving my husband and our son to the rugby.
As we waited, we observed a young man of perhaps 19 or 20 years, holding a box of chocolates and a bunch of roses. He looked uncomfortable, scanned up and down Hope Street. I said to my husband, “oh, look. Please don’t let him down”. It absolutely is still seen as representing romantic love to young people.

Oreo

Norah
You send Valentines to your grandchildren?
It’s a day for lovers or would be lovers.

Not any more and I wonder if it ever was only for "lovers". Perhaps we just had/have very different lives.