I deplore Jim Ratcliffe's words. (owner of Man U)

What I meant to add was that nobody should turn their noses up at any kind of job until they’ve found out what’s involved.
They may surprise themselves by enjoying it.

Their endgame is a Digital ID that decides what you can buy, where you can travel, even if you’re allowed to speak? Every click, payment & heartbeat logged, scored & approved or denied, by an algorithm no one voted for. Over 3 million have said NO but still they forge ahead ...

To be fair to that post, this ties in with the last Book of the Bible. Revelation chpt 13 v 17

CariadAgain

AGAA4

Oreo

CariadAgain I work in a care home.If people out of work think they are above that kind of work and would prefer to stay at home with their feet up, fine, but the government shouldn’t be paying out a penny in benefits to them.

Not everyone can do care home work for various reasons and some people should definitely not be care home workers.
Some of the dreadful happenings in care homes means that they need to be even more careful who they take on.

Very true.

It is my personal opinion that people who are used to bringing up babies and/or being a carer in their own personal life have already demonstrated they're willingness (well preparedness at least) to do some of the grottier type of tasks.

Hence ruling myself out from that - though I'd never be nasty to them and, in fact, more likely to be told off for sitting chatting to them or helping them to break free from any unreasonable care home rules. Yep....my own personality being a questioning one would equal I'd be there querying on their behalf "Why cant they be given what they want at mealtimes? Why are they expected to have mealtimes when you want - rather than when they want?". Once a questioner - always a questioner.

But yep...I think we've all read of some people who really should not work in that sort of environment - because they are "taking it out" on people who don't deserve it/can't defend themselves. Now what was that drug again from 2020 or so - Midozalam? I rest my case....

CariadAgain 😁 there’s quite a bit of sitting and talking to our residents involved, and meals are tasty and nutritious.There are care homes and care homes tho it’s true.A good home will soon find out anyone who can’t do the job properly or was unpleasant. Not everyone is cut out to do it it’s true, you need to be fit, patient, able to work quickly, not be afraid of illness or death and have an interest in people and a kindly nature.

Blimey. We have truly ended up down the rabbit hole.

Please don’t be put off posting what you think Grandmabatty.

Blimey!

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Ratcliffes comments were meant to be divisive. What else did he hope to achieve by saying what he did. He is an economic migrant living in Monaco, to avoid paying taxes where Man United are based. What millionaires and billionaires, who earn money in this country but chose to locate abroad, are doing is taking money out of our economy. They do more economic damage than migrants. Why does he think migrants do not pay tax? He is like all the other agitators who cannot distinguish between migrants, illegal migrants, asylum seekers and the native unemployed! Shame on him and all those who blindly agree with him without thinking of the consequences of blaming the more marginalised in our society while ignoring the damage multimillionaires and billionaires tax avoiders are doing to our country.

I have to add that I admire care home workers greatly. Those who really do care for the people who need them.
They should be paid a lot more for what they do.

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Allsorts

It has been an invasion, agree you cannot have 9 million on benefits, unemployed and more yet people
arriving each day, just ridiculous, who do you think us keeping them.. He said what he thought but you cannot do that here anymore mores the pity.

The voices will no longer keep quiet.
And nor will the votes.

Governments are taking no notice[well lip service at best]

I wonder what will come next.
It wont be pretty, whatever happens.

Never is when you have governments taking no notce of a vast amount of people.

I suspect government is already two steps ahead.
Again, wont be pretty.

Allsorts

It has been an invasion, agree you cannot have 9 million on benefits, unemployed and more yet people
arriving each day, just ridiculous, who do you think us keeping them.. He said what he thought but you cannot do that here anymore mores the pity.

Absolutely right.

CariadAgain

AGAA4

Oreo

CariadAgain I work in a care home.If people out of work think they are above that kind of work and would prefer to stay at home with their feet up, fine, but the government shouldn’t be paying out a penny in benefits to them.

Not everyone can do care home work for various reasons and some people should definitely not be care home workers.
Some of the dreadful happenings in care homes means that they need to be even more careful who they take on.

Very true.

It is my personal opinion that people who are used to bringing up babies and/or being a carer in their own personal life have already demonstrated they're willingness (well preparedness at least) to do some of the grottier type of tasks.

Hence ruling myself out from that - though I'd never be nasty to them and, in fact, more likely to be told off for sitting chatting to them or helping them to break free from any unreasonable care home rules. Yep....my own personality being a questioning one would equal I'd be there querying on their behalf "Why cant they be given what they want at mealtimes? Why are they expected to have mealtimes when you want - rather than when they want?". Once a questioner - always a questioner.

But yep...I think we've all read of some people who really should not work in that sort of environment - because they are "taking it out" on people who don't deserve it/can't defend themselves. Now what was that drug again from 2020 or so - Midozalam? I rest my case....

Exactly! Now I've always been a 'carer', had children and a nurse and Care Home Manager for adults with a learning disability and challenging behaviour. But sadly now, I am the one who needs the care ...

I do NOT want some gum chewing local youth coming to help me wash and dress and do personal care just because they won't get help from Universal Credit if they don't!! I will stick with my Romanian, Hungarian, Polish, Brazilian and Zimbawean girls thanks; they care, came here to do the job and are now my friends. I wouldn't be without them!!

It has been an invasion, agree you cannot have 9 million on benefits, unemployed and more yet people
arriving each day, just ridiculous, who do you think us keeping them.. He said what he thought but you cannot do that here anymore mores the pity.

AGAA4

Oreo

CariadAgain I work in a care home.If people out of work think they are above that kind of work and would prefer to stay at home with their feet up, fine, but the government shouldn’t be paying out a penny in benefits to them.

Not everyone can do care home work for various reasons and some people should definitely not be care home workers.
Some of the dreadful happenings in care homes means that they need to be even more careful who they take on.

Very true.

It is my personal opinion that people who are used to bringing up babies and/or being a carer in their own personal life have already demonstrated they're willingness (well preparedness at least) to do some of the grottier type of tasks.

Hence ruling myself out from that - though I'd never be nasty to them and, in fact, more likely to be told off for sitting chatting to them or helping them to break free from any unreasonable care home rules. Yep....my own personality being a questioning one would equal I'd be there querying on their behalf "Why cant they be given what they want at mealtimes? Why are they expected to have mealtimes when you want - rather than when they want?". Once a questioner - always a questioner.

But yep...I think we've all read of some people who really should not work in that sort of environment - because they are "taking it out" on people who don't deserve it/can't defend themselves. Now what was that drug again from 2020 or so - Midozalam? I rest my case....

Oreo

CariadAgain I work in a care home.If people out of work think they are above that kind of work and would prefer to stay at home with their feet up, fine, but the government shouldn’t be paying out a penny in benefits to them.

Not everyone can do care home work for various reasons and some people should definitely not be care home workers.
Some of the dreadful happenings in care homes means that they need to be even more careful who they take on.

theworriedwell

Primrose53

Are the incomers (is it ok to use that term?) here legally?
The answer is NO.
Therefore they are here illegally.

Isn't that decided once they are here? If they are here illegally then yes they are illegal. If the process approves their application then they aren't illegal and are able to settle here, work, live their lives.

Now that should be interesting to know just how long it takes (if ever) before they cross the boundary from illegal to legal.

I'd be willing to bet a lot of them never do cross that boundary. There's probably lots that never even start up the official application process - they've got a job/they've got some sort of place to live = why would they regard becoming "legal" as necessary even if that's the case. After all learning English seems to be regarded as an "optional extra" - rather than compulsory to live here.

Oreo - I very much doubt anyone thinks they are "above" working in a carehome. I think it's easy to see how "difficult" emotionally speaking it must be to do many of the tasks doubtless required as part of the job - hence why I stated I admire people who can stomach some of the tasks that I'm sure are involved - as I know I wouldnt be able to handle it myself and I think a noticeable number of other people wouldnt either.

All part of why I've never wanted children and was never a "carer" (though I did have the relevant Social Work team onto me personally at one point trying to get me to do that for them for my mother - cue for me saying firmly "There is a sibling....there's 4 of him in his family but only one of me. He's got a car and I havent. The four of them all live a lot nearer than me"). Cue for I think I landed up slamming the phone down on them - as they simply weren't listening to the logical situation of my erstwhile brother and his family were a lot better placed than single me to deal with all that. That was before I got onto "He's her favourite child and she doesnt get on with me/never has". So - yep....all the personal emotional stuff that will also be part of being a carer is something I know I couldnt do.

Primrose53

Are the incomers (is it ok to use that term?) here legally?
The answer is NO.
Therefore they are here illegally.

Isn't that decided once they are here? If they are here illegally then yes they are illegal. If the process approves their application then they aren't illegal and are able to settle here, work, live their lives.

CariadAgain I work in a care home.If people out of work think they are above that kind of work and would prefer to stay at home with their feet up, fine, but the government shouldn’t be paying out a penny in benefits to them.

sundowngirl

My goodness Willow3 you do get offended easily.

The people arrived here illegally whatever spin you try to put on it. Calling them 'irregular' doesn't change the fact that thousands of (mainly) undocumented men are arriving daily on our shores and it is unsustainable.

When will the numbers become too many??

I agree, and the numbers are already too many.

Are the incomers (is it ok to use that term?) here legally?
The answer is NO.
Therefore they are here illegally.

My goodness Willow3 you do get offended easily.

The people arrived here illegally whatever spin you try to put on it. Calling them 'irregular' doesn't change the fact that thousands of (mainly) undocumented men are arriving daily on our shores and it is unsustainable.

When will the numbers become too many??

I[and millions of other people] would not dream of entering a country illegally.

The clue is in the word illegal.

And this is what partly alarms me and millions of other people - that others deem that to be perfectly ok.

It so is not!!!!!!!

Calendargirl

I felt he wasn’t meaning immigrants who came after the war, the Windrush generation and others, who we invited and needed to work for the NHS, the transport system, factories and so on.

He was talking about the last few years when it’s all so different.

His choice of words wasn’t the best, I think he realised that afterwards, but many will agree with his sentiments.

I did.

Agreed ... it is NOT the hard working people that wanted to come here to contribute, it is obviously the hundreds of thousands of young fit men that both our governments have brought in, for what nefarious purpose has yet to become clear, but I fear it won't be good.

They ae bringing in diseases that have been eradicated here for years and many have some rather unhygienic habits that aren't acceptable in the UK; then of course there's the criminality of some against our women and girls. If anyone is still thinking it's ok that they are here, then I hope that you are putting a roof over the heads of a few of them?