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Eugenie and Beatrice

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Riversidegirl Sun 08-Feb-26 08:17:39

I think it's very cruel of the media to drag these two into the Epstein business. They would not have been aware of or understood anything and would have done what their parents told them I'm sure.

Casdon Mon 09-Feb-26 16:11:19

You are incorrect on both counts, check it out online if you don’t believe me.

‘Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie are understood to pay rent on their royal properties, as they are not considered full-time working royals and do not receive free accommodation. They previously lived in apartments at St James's Palace and Ivy Cottage at Kensington Palace, with reports suggesting they pay rent to the Crown Estate.
BBC

They do not get security protection either.

‘Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie do not receive taxpayer-funded security for their day-to-day lives, having lost their publicly funded Metropolitan Police protection in 2011’

Deepat Mon 09-Feb-26 16:12:17

nanna8

Horrible entitled parents. Here’s hoping the two daughters didn’t inherit their attitudes. It is good they are both married and can concentrate on their own immediate families rather than those two horrors.

Apparently they are both as entitled as their parents, swan into expensive stores pick up goods and don't expect to pay, same on nights out with friends rack up the drinks and leave without paying. This from a royal reporter. I felt sorry for them before that. Maybe the apples don't fall far from the tree.

Norah Mon 09-Feb-26 16:12:36

icanhandthemback

Casdon

It’s easy to judge from afar isn’t it? It’s amazing that you have got into their heads and knew what they were actually thinking when they were in their teens and twenty, but I don’t.
They are non working royals, they do not receive any salary or allowance from the public purse, so what exactly are we condemning them for, not publicly disowning their parents?

What a breath of fresh air your post is.
As somebody with a close relation who has been convicted of sex crimes, when I first heard the allegations I was convinced that it was a mistake. To find out they were true was a real shock. I had happily allowed my children and grandchildren spend time with him. It was only later I found out that it wasn't the first allegation but it had been covered up and no legal action was taken but the person who had made it was another close family member and it killed him in the end. I wasn't 19, I was a grandmother, a safe guarding officer and always on the lookout for anything untoward. I don't think we should stand in judgement of Eugenie and Beatrice.

Good post.icanhabdthemback

I'd no notion to AMW type of horrible behaviour at age 18.

Anniebach Mon 09-Feb-26 16:37:11

If the sisters had heard anything about Epstein they surely would have asked their parents who said it wasn’t true, they shouldn’t be criticised for trusting their parents?

Tuliptree Mon 09-Feb-26 16:51:46

Anniebach

If the sisters had heard anything about Epstein they surely would have asked their parents who said it wasn’t true, they shouldn’t be criticised for trusting their parents?

Asked them when? Last week? Years ago?

StoneofDestiny Mon 09-Feb-26 17:18:50

As well as living in grace and favour residences, there will be the associated security costs associated with those properties and I doubt they’re paying any running costs. They’ll also have no doubt inherited money along the way from eg the late Queen on which no inheritance tax will have been paid thus subsidised by us.And who paid the costs of their weddings?

Correct - they have never paid market rent on royal residences and royal security is provided those locations. They pay as Andrew did ‘peppercorn rents’.
All of this is under the the noses of taxpayers and the inheritance tax free sums they got and will get is unknown to us as it is ‘secret’.

Too much is expected to be taken on trust when it comes to the royals - why? All this nonsense could be done away with if we insist on keeping royals.
Let us see the totality of their income. Make their Wills public. Let us see the full cost to the public purse of Weddings. Funerals, Coronations. Jubilees etc etc. Let us see the rents paid by every resident in any ‘royal property’ and the amount of royal properties lying empty that could be generating income or sold off to refill public coffers.
That would be a start.

Smileless2012 Mon 09-Feb-26 17:25:41

For goodness sake, leave them alone.

Good posts Casdon.

Casdon Mon 09-Feb-26 17:28:55

That information is not in the public arena Stone of Destiny, so you are making assumptions. It is confirmed that they pay rent. It is not confirmed how much rent they pay. This really is a witch hunt. I’m not even particularly royalist, but I think it is completely unfair to make up information and target people who as far as we know for certain to date have the misfortune to have dreadful parents, and that is the extent of their sins. People need to learn to be more even handed.

Lostmyglassesxx Mon 09-Feb-26 17:31:52

They now have situation where their children’s grandfather is embroiled in under age sex .. would your want your children to be anywhere near him now ? Plus the files show some deeply sinister sick macabre goings on in epsteins world so anybody remotely connected to him should be avoided at all costs … as I said they should lie low .

GrannyGravy13 Mon 09-Feb-26 17:33:08

Casdon

That information is not in the public arena Stone of Destiny, so you are making assumptions. It is confirmed that they pay rent. It is not confirmed how much rent they pay. This really is a witch hunt. I’m not even particularly royalist, but I think it is completely unfair to make up information and target people who as far as we know for certain to date have the misfortune to have dreadful parents, and that is the extent of their sins. People need to learn to be more even handed.

Totally agree 👍🏻

petra Mon 09-Feb-26 17:46:17

Anyone who thinks this is normal apparel to wear in public isn’t in the real world.

petra Mon 09-Feb-26 17:47:24

Forgot the hats.

petra Mon 09-Feb-26 17:48:28

I see GN tech is up to its normal standards.

Tuliptree Mon 09-Feb-26 17:52:53

One of the things that came out re Andrew was the ridiculously small amount of rent being paid for properties on the Crown Estate. I believe a select committee is going to look into this. All this and much more about royal finances should be in the public domain, as should their wills. We wouldn’t have to speculate then would we?

Tuliptree Mon 09-Feb-26 17:53:42

petra

Forgot the hats.

I wish I could 😂😂

GrannyGravy13 Mon 09-Feb-26 17:54:54

petra

Anyone who thinks this is normal apparel to wear in public isn’t in the real world.

Some of their hats have been rather wild, if I remember correctly haven’t they auctioned a couple of the wilder ones off for charity?

Jockytaff Mon 09-Feb-26 18:00:04

To sixandahalf - I think she is a free money addict first & foremost.

Casdon Mon 09-Feb-26 18:04:25

Tuliptree

One of the things that came out re Andrew was the ridiculously small amount of rent being paid for properties on the Crown Estate. I believe a select committee is going to look into this. All this and much more about royal finances should be in the public domain, as should their wills. We wouldn’t have to speculate then would we?

I agree regarding the crown estate rentals being made public, it’s the posting incorrect information, and the blaming of Beatrice and Eugenie for occupying houses which they have no control of the rent for, and for which they pay what is asked of them, that I find unfair.

Tuliptree Mon 09-Feb-26 18:12:21

But they don’t have to do that do they? They are grown ups, they have money, they have husbands with money. They could decide not to exploit public finances in any way and show they want to be squeaky clean - they could rent a pied a terre in London as many of their set do. They do not have to passively take what’s handed to them on a silver tray as though they have no agency.

Mollygo Mon 09-Feb-26 18:13:39

Some comments on here are reminiscent of the comments about people using food banks when “we know they spend money on . . .”
There’s almost a sense of enjoyment about being able to share every detrimental little titbit whether it’s hats or rents or whatever.

Casdon Mon 09-Feb-26 18:16:59

I just checked on Google. They no longer occupy the house at Windsor Castle, or the apartment at Kensington Palace anyway Tuliptree, both moved out a few years ago. Beatrice apparently uses an apartment at St James Palace when she is in London, but it is not exclusively for her use. I can’t find a mention of Eugenie retaining any interest in any crown property.

Tuliptree Mon 09-Feb-26 18:22:59

Casdon

I just checked on Google. They no longer occupy the house at Windsor Castle, or the apartment at Kensington Palace anyway Tuliptree, both moved out a few years ago. Beatrice apparently uses an apartment at St James Palace when she is in London, but it is not exclusively for her use. I can’t find a mention of Eugenie retaining any interest in any crown property.

Thanks for update. I still object to St J’s flat regardless of who else uses it. We should know the running costs of this and rental value. We should also ask why a non working royal has this perk.

Tuliptree Mon 09-Feb-26 18:28:07

Mollygo

Some comments on here are reminiscent of the comments about people using food banks when “we know they spend money on . . .”
There’s almost a sense of enjoyment about being able to share every detrimental little titbit whether it’s hats or rents or whatever.

Resllly? If royal finances were transparent and if Andrew hadn’t been enabled, yes enabled by senior royals in his unacceptable behaviour then that would help. There’s a fundamental nonsense in royals ( working or otherwise) in taking all the benefits of their unearned privilege but somehow being protected when things go pear shaped.

Dickens Mon 09-Feb-26 18:42:03

MT62

You aren’t on your own Dickens, it’s a horrible word.
I could never imagine my mum using that about us girls.
I think she was trying to appear cool at her daughter’s expense. Or they might have that kind of open family, where they can talk like that.
The upper classes can come across like that.

Back in the mid 60s, I was in a typical east-end pub somewhere near Canning Town It had an upstairs room which was being used as a venue for a Union meeting - WLTB (Watermen, Lightermen, Tugmen and Bargemen's Union). My then boyfriend was a Lighterman.

Downstairs was rather 'spit-and-sawdust' and not really the kind of establishment most women would choose to go to, but along with a handful of other women, I was waiting for the meeting to end nursing a glass of something or other, nervously, because at the bar was a group of boisterous 'lads' who were quite obviously talking or joking about s-e-x blush... and getting louder by the minute. One of the group ended his tale or joke with the word sh***g - loudly, which drew much merriment.

A burly middle-aged docker nearby slid off his stool and yelled across to them, "Oi, there's women present 'ere, tone it down mate"... it's one of those moments that stays in your mind!

Of course, no one would bat an eyelid now in fact, it's just as likely that a woman would be using the word.

And, yes, you're right, the so-called upper-class do sometimes pepper their conversation with vulgar slang as if they think it's 'cool'. Boris Johnson used one such word in 2019 which caused a backlash; "£60m I saw was being spaffed up the wall on some investigation into historic child abuse and all this kind of thing". Another word that makes me cringe.

Rather difficult to accept their mea-culpas about Epstein / and or child sex abuse when they use such dismissive terminology...

StoneofDestiny Mon 09-Feb-26 20:04:58

If royal finances were transparent and if Andrew hadn’t been enabled, yes enabled by senior royals in his unacceptable behaviour then that would help. There’s a fundamental nonsense in royals ( working or otherwise) in taking all the benefits of their unearned privilege but somehow being protected when things go pear shape

Exactly - accountability should be expected and insisted upon. Too much is 'on trust' from a family that cannot be trusted. The public purse should not be open for all and sundry who are related to the king to dip in as they wish. There have been many instances of royals paying peppercorn rents for prime apartments - Andrew isn't the first one exposed by the press - and unless there is transparency in royal finances, he won't be the last.