Entering the UK- or going to happen now

And if they didn't do this automatically for those who automatically get citizenship there would be an outcry at least as loud as the one on here at the moment when people slipped through the system and lost it.

Applying then being granted a citizenship which you can claim by descent is one thing and a sensible idea.

Having an automatic citizenship thrust upon you which you did not want and did not apply for, then having to pay to renounce it is just plain wrong.

runs run

Rosie51

DAR that’s the norm, not something unusual being forced on people. but if the individual neither asked nor wanted it, then it is being forced on them and is not a neutral act. Especially to then charge nearly £500 to get rid of this unwanted status.

And if they didn't do this automatically for those who automatically get citizenship there would be an outcry at least as loud as the one on here at the moment when people slipped through the system and lost it.

Did these people attempt to rid themselves of their unwanted citizenship at the time, I wonder? If these young people cannot afford to have a year travelling (if that's what this is about) then they need to find a way of doing it for themselves. No government is going to change the rules for a few, especially if those few runs the country down at any opportunity.

Actually has a permanent residence pass.

That is different, it is not citizenship.

Freya5

BlueBelle

I dont think anyone is getting Nana8s anger
The rules for Uk have changed and she can no longer get into Uk on her Australian passport alone

She can if she renounces her British citizenship. Then no problem.
A family member has , one British passport to come here, one German aufenthaltstitel to go back there.
Why should we be any different

Actually has a permanent residence pass.

nanna8 is nor coming to the UK. That is not the problem

BlueBelle

I dont think anyone is getting Nana8s anger
The rules for Uk have changed and she can no longer get into Uk on her Australian passport alone

She can if she renounces her British citizenship. Then no problem.
A family member has , one British passport to come here, one German aufenthaltstitel to go back there.
Why should we be any different

Allira

^I think nationality law must be one of the most complex areas of law ever^

You can say that again!

^I think nationality law must be one of the most complex areas of law ever^

Is this allowed? 😂😂😂

I think nationality law must be one of the most complex areas of law ever

You can say that again!

I think nationality law must be one of the most complex areas of law ever

Tuliptree

Oh yes that’s right Allira. If nannas dgd had been born before the relevant date in 2006 she could not have been BBD. Oh dear, then there wouldn’t have been this problem. Oh if only parents had hindsight before conceiving 😂😂

No that’s not true either is it? The 2006 change affected unmarried fathers. Nannas dgd was always going to be BBD. I think nationality law must be one of the most complex areas of law ever

DAR that’s the norm, not something unusual being forced on people. but if the individual neither asked nor wanted it, then it is being forced on them and is not a neutral act. Especially to then charge nearly £500 to get rid of this unwanted status.

The Liberal Democrats have raised this with the Home Secretary.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/feb/22/lib-dems-home-secretary-delay-new-dual-national-border-rules

Oh yes that’s right Allira. If nannas dgd had been born before the relevant date in 2006 she could not have been BBD. Oh dear, then there wouldn’t have been this problem. Oh if only parents had hindsight before conceiving 😂😂

I’m not sure “imposition of citizenship” is the right way to describe this. Most countries automatically confer citizenship by birth or descent; that’s the norm, not something unusual being forced on people.

If the complaint is about the cost and bureaucracy involved in obtaining documents or a passport it’s reasonable to debate whether those requirements are proportionate or fair. But that’s about administrative burden, not about citizenship being imposed. That said this "debate" flexes each time an explanation is provided.

It isn't unreasonable to have a sense of cultural disconnection when someone hasn't revisited their birth country for the best part of a lifetime but that disconnection is unlikely to give a truthful, all round picture and can seem offensive. As for administrative costs, you pay or you don't come. The choice is there.

Cross posted Allira at exactly the same time!

BlueBelle

Sorry I got my facts all wrong, but I still say the same it wasn’t done to annoy or upset Nana8 or her family so her grandkids just need to go along with the new rules and have a great time

You still don't seem able to get it.

BlueBelle

Sorry I got my facts all wrong, but I still say the same it wasn’t done to annoy or upset Nana8 or her family so her grandkids just need to go along with the new rules and have a great time

Do your New Zealand grandchildren have British nationality by descent BlueBelle, a parent born in the UK, as you might find they will be affected?
I don't think nanna has ever claimed or implied that this change was done to personally target her family. The internet is awash with people affected by this policy who are not happy about the enormous expense that will be involved, and I'm certain they're not all related to nanna.

BlueBelle

Sorry I got my facts all wrong, but I still say the same it wasn’t done to annoy or upset Nana8 or her family so her grandkids just need to go along with the new rules and have a great time

It has annoyed and upset a lot of people!
Not just nanna8.

Tuliptree

Allira - I’m pretty sure that if you have a UK passport and have been resident in UK or resident hers and registered to vote, then you could return to Australia to luce and then register as an overseas voter and vote. Re 2006 changes, what changes to British by descent were brought in then? I thought the BBC changes happened in 1983 ?

It might have been to do with marital status of parents.
“Before 1 July 2006 a child could only obtain citizenship through his or her father if the parents were married. The law changed on 1 July 2006 to allow a person to acquire citizenship through his or her father, irrespective of whether the parents were married, subject to proof of paternity. That change was not made retrospective.”

At one time only the father's citizenship applied, then they extended that to mothers as well.

Sorry I got my facts all wrong, but I still say the same it wasn’t done to annoy or upset Nana8 or her family so her grandkids just need to go along with the new rules and have a great time

Sorry - talking about BBD people in first sentence

Allira - I’m pretty sure that if you have a UK passport and have been resident in UK or resident hers and registered to vote, then you could return to Australia to luce and then register as an overseas voter and vote. Re 2006 changes, what changes to British by descent were brought in then? I thought the BBC changes happened in 1983 ?

Where is the banging head against wall emoji?

Cossy

BlueBelle

I dont think anyone is getting Nana8s anger
The rules for Uk have changed and she can no longer get into Uk on her Australian passport alone

Yes, she can.

Anyway, it is her grandchildren who cannot - who didn't ask to be British anyway!

Cossy

BlueBelle

I dont think anyone is getting Nana8s anger
The rules for Uk have changed and she can no longer get into Uk on her Australian passport alone

Yes, she can.

No, she cannot!