Entering the UK- or going to happen now

Rosie51

^I care about the principle underpinning the former but am indifferent to the latter.^ Of course you are, you're selfishly thinking about yourself and giving no consideration to her.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. I can’t begin to think of one good reason why I should care about someone who has chosen not to renew her passport - she’s made a choice, she’s a grown up. If she had had her passport unjustly taken away from her for some reason I can imagine I might care about the principle underpinning that. But this case? Nope.

I don't understand. Does the UK passport requirement only apply to certain countries (Aus, NZ or Canada for example) or every country in the world. And how do "they" know if you or your parents were originally born in the UK? Sorry if I'm being thick but I really don't understand. Can someone give me an idiot's guide?

I care about the principle underpinning the former but am indifferent to the latter. Of course you are, you're selfishly thinking about yourself and giving no consideration to her.

Rosie51

Not rattled at all, no need for you to concern yourself, or to apologise for your lack of comprehension. I fully understand the difference of impacts, merely state, as I believe it to be true, that regulations are regulations. Perhaps you don't understand that aspect?

Regulations are regulations is quite a meaningless statement without any consideration of what the regulations are about and who they impact. But never mind - OP can vote here but can’t come here without a UK passport. I care about the principle underpinning the former but am indifferent to the latter.

Not rattled at all, no need for you to concern yourself, or to apologise for your lack of comprehension. I fully understand the difference of impacts, merely state, as I believe it to be true, that regulations are regulations. Perhaps you don't understand that aspect?

Oh dear, you sound a bit rattled. I’m sorry you didn’t understand what I posted about the difference in the impact of regulations on others. Actions which impact others are different from those that only impact oneself

Tuliptree

Rosie51

Well as Nanna is being told she must just suck up the regulations regarding having to get a British passport then we must just suck up the regulations that she's entitled to vote in our elections, and I hope she and all the others this applies to will.
I still think that her Australian granddaughters with Australian passports being told they must apply for British passports is stupid, but if they're the rules then they're the rules.

The idea that these two things have any sort of equivalence is nonsense . When someone votes , there are consequences for others in general and those voting should have to bear whatever the consequences are. You don’t if you don’t live in the country. Nannas decisions about dual citizenships passports etc just impact her.

Oh so some regulations are fine because you agree with them, but other regulations are not fine because you disagree with them? OK I get it now, we'll run all regulations past our new commander-in-chief Trump Tuliptree to see which ones should or should not apply.

Rosie51

Well as Nanna is being told she must just suck up the regulations regarding having to get a British passport then we must just suck up the regulations that she's entitled to vote in our elections, and I hope she and all the others this applies to will.
I still think that her Australian granddaughters with Australian passports being told they must apply for British passports is stupid, but if they're the rules then they're the rules.

The idea that these two things have any sort of equivalence is nonsense . When someone votes , there are consequences for others in general and those voting should have to bear whatever the consequences are. You don’t if you don’t live in the country. Nannas decisions about dual citizenships passports etc just impact her.

Rosie51

Well as Nanna is being told she must just suck up the regulations regarding having to get a British passport then we must just suck up the regulations that she's entitled to vote in our elections, and I hope she and all the others this applies to will.
I still think that her Australian granddaughters with Australian passports being told they must apply for British passports is stupid, but if they're the rules then they're the rules.

😂
That about sums it up!

Stop being whingeing POMS.

Well as Nanna is being told she must just suck up the regulations regarding having to get a British passport then we must just suck up the regulations that she's entitled to vote in our elections, and I hope she and all the others this applies to will.
I still think that her Australian granddaughters with Australian passports being told they must apply for British passports is stupid, but if they're the rules then they're the rules.

SueDonim

Oh well, if nothing else, this thread has informed me of an issue of which I was completely unaware. After much ferreting about online we’ve established that my dual citizen son in the US needs to get his US-born children British passports as well as their US pps for a visit later this year. He’s setting that into motion and hasn’t complained about anything, it’s just another hurdle to straddle in life.

Yes, many people are unaware and most of those won't be reading this thread!

SueDonim

Oh well, if nothing else, this thread has informed me of an issue of which I was completely unaware. After much ferreting about online we’ve established that my dual citizen son in the US needs to get his US-born children British passports as well as their US pps for a visit later this year. He’s setting that into motion and hasn’t complained about anything, it’s just another hurdle to straddle in life.

But it’s also a huge plus once they’ve done it in terms of options - could come in handy

Oh well, if nothing else, this thread has informed me of an issue of which I was completely unaware. After much ferreting about online we’ve established that my dual citizen son in the US needs to get his US-born children British passports as well as their US pps for a visit later this year. He’s setting that into motion and hasn’t complained about anything, it’s just another hurdle to straddle in life.

Cossy

BlueBelle

She has to come here using her British passport, but as she is refusing to renew her British passport, she basically won’t be coming, and as she blames Keir Starmer 🤣🤣🤣🤣she ll probably vote for the first time in 50 years 🙄🙄

🤣🤣🤣

It's no funny, it is in fact quite ridiculous.

People of dual Australian/British nationality cannot come here on their Australian passport with a visa or ETA.
Those are the new rules.

However, people who emigrated 50 years ago and have not visited or kept up their British passports can vote in our elections. They have to pay for the right not to be able to vote in our elections.

Barmy.

Tuliptree

Allira

Even lawyers were confused, different Chambers giving different information.

As widely reported in the media today, the UK is introducing a visa requirement for all visitors from Trinidad and Tobago, effective immediately.
12th March 2025
www.ein.org.uk/news/new-statement-changes-immigration-rules-imposes-visit-visa-regime-trinidad-and-tobago

Thank you. Reading it, it wasn’t quite overnight in effect - people with existing ETAs and confirmed travel were exempt. Most changes came in a few weeks later. The changes were basically introduced because of apparently wide spread abuse of the existing rules. That’s a pity for decent people but we all get caught up in changes that come about because of other’s bad behaviour. It was only one country You made it sound much more widespread.

It was only one country You made it sound much more widespread.

I did not.

I said it was Trinidad in my earlier post.
Trinidad and Tobago in fact.

Then
I do not know which other, if any, countries were affected by this sudden decision..

I have a feeling of Déjå vu 😂

BlueBelle

She has to come here using her British passport, but as she is refusing to renew her British passport, she basically won’t be coming, and as she blames Keir Starmer 🤣🤣🤣🤣she ll probably vote for the first time in 50 years 🙄🙄

🤣🤣🤣

Allira

Even lawyers were confused, different Chambers giving different information.

As widely reported in the media today, the UK is introducing a visa requirement for all visitors from Trinidad and Tobago, effective immediately.
12th March 2025
www.ein.org.uk/news/new-statement-changes-immigration-rules-imposes-visit-visa-regime-trinidad-and-tobago

Thank you. Reading it, it wasn’t quite overnight in effect - people with existing ETAs and confirmed travel were exempt. Most changes came in a few weeks later. The changes were basically introduced because of apparently wide spread abuse of the existing rules. That’s a pity for decent people but we all get caught up in changes that come about because of other’s bad behaviour. It was only one country You made it sound much more widespread.

Even lawyers were confused, different Chambers giving different information.

As widely reported in the media today, the UK is introducing a visa requirement for all visitors from Trinidad and Tobago, effective immediately.
12th March 2025
www.ein.org.uk/news/new-statement-changes-immigration-rules-imposes-visit-visa-regime-trinidad-and-tobago

Tuliptree

LizzieDrip

Allira were the new regulations literally brought in OVERNIGHT, i.e. with no forewarning etc?

It would be useful to have the link for this assertion.

🤔

If you do not believe me Tuliptree, I will find the link.

I do not know which other, if any, countries were affected by this sudden decision.

LizzieDrip

Allira were the new regulations literally brought in OVERNIGHT, i.e. with no forewarning etc?

Some, LizzieDrip, not the ones relating to Australia.

It is confusing eg
Those visiting from Trinidad and Tobago had no notice as the requirement for a visa was implemented overnight last March.

I do not know which, if any, countries were affected by this sudden decision.

Yes please.

LizzieDrip

Allira were the new regulations literally brought in OVERNIGHT, i.e. with no forewarning etc?

It would be useful to have the link for this assertion.

Allira were the new regulations literally brought in OVERNIGHT, i.e. with no forewarning etc?

No, Allira, as my post said, there are countries with requirements - I pointed out some that I have had to meet.
She can't " travel anywhere she likes on an Australian passport" , anymore than I can on a British passport, without adhering to the entry conditions of the country.