How long can Starmer survive? Getting popcorn ready 🍿🍿

Be careful what you wish for! Even popcorn would not bring comfort if we finish up with one of the available alternatives ...

Doodledog I agree, it’s a worrying time for UK politics.

David Lammy?

How many skeletons in his closet?

Definitely a popcorn moment on Gnet if that were to happen. The squeals of outrage!

Time to open the 🍸 😀

kittylester

Wes Streeting promised to sort out the NHS and the things he said led us to believe that he would be quite radical. It turns out that he just meant that he knew where the biggest plasters were kept.

Wes Streeting is in receipt of £ks from private health companies. He's just thrown the NHS into disarray by abolishing NHS England.

I wouldn't trust him an inch.

Allira

Calendargirl

Oh no, not Yvette Cooper!

She’d be out of her depth, she was as Home Secretary.

Oh, ok!
Right, next ....

Angela Rayner?

Bookies are apparently thinking her to be a distinct possibility..

Definitely a popcorn moment on Gnet if that were to happen. The squeals of outrage!

Wes Streeting promised to sort out the NHS and the things he said led us to believe that he would be quite radical. It turns out that he just meant that he knew where the biggest plasters were kept.

Peter Mandelsons grandfather was Herbert Morrison, who served as Home Secretary in the wartime coalition having served in the previous MacDonald administrations. He became deputy Prime Minister of the postwar Atlee government and was created a Life Peer in 1959 for a life time of loyal service. He wasn't some 'grandfather or other of yesteryear'

Calendargirl

Oh no, not Yvette Cooper!

She’d be out of her depth, she was as Home Secretary.

Oh, ok!
Right, next ....

Oh no, not Yvette Cooper!

She’d be out of her depth, she was as Home Secretary.

GrannyGravy13

This isn’t the time for an election within the Labour Party, too much going on in the wider world and the U.K. needs a steady hand on the tiller.

Saying that the Mandelson issue is not going anywhere soon, it’s obvious that he was appointed as ambassador despite KS being informed by a FT journalist about his close links with Epstein.

Either KS is being swayed by someone else, or he is not good a making judgements in the UK’s best interests.

Steady hand? Yesterday Starmer hands looked anything but steady, after the grilling by KB.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn’t it? The number of high profile figures in politics and journalism now scrabbling to delete any digital evidence of ever having revered Mandelson.

How about some foresight?

Tony Benn on Peter Mandelson in 1987: “Today we had a meeting of the NEC & the Shadow Cabinet. Kinnock introduced the meeting & spoke for about twenty minutes. We went on to Peter Mandelson who said a few words. I find Mandelson a threatening figure for the future of the Party.”

Benn and others on the left had the measure of Mandelson over 30 years ago, while Blair and later Starmer did not.

Calendargirl

kittylester

So should he still be the one doing it. But who would be caoable out of his probable successors?

Wes Streeting?

No.

Yvette Cooper? But is she tough enough?

MayBee70

By the way I think the popcorn reference in the OP is pretty distasteful. Given the political problems, both domestic and international, this is not a situation that someone should treat in such a lighthearted way. The last thing we need at the moment is an unstable government and it’s disgusting that some people on this forum are revelling in it.

Hear, hear.

By the way I think the popcorn reference in the OP is pretty distasteful. Given the political problems, both domestic and international, this is not a situation that someone should treat in such a lighthearted way. The last thing we need at the moment is an unstable government and it’s disgusting that some people on this forum are revelling in it.

kittylester

So should he still be the one doing it. But who would be caoable out of his probable successors?

Wes Streeting?

Allira

^This is a very serious state of affairs for the country as a whole, and it looks as though it is being managed by malign forces who have been playing us for a long time. We don't know what more is going to come out. We do know that figures across the political spectrum have been implicated in this, and it is leaving the UK vulnerable at a time of global insecurity.^

This is what is terrifying.

Yes, it is. I’m horrified that some people seem to view this terrible situation as some sort of reality show, for entertainment.
I’m also very concerned that in the clamour for “transparency” in releasing every document, the case against Mandelson could be jeopardised.

nanna8

I wish Starmer would just go. He’s been a disaster since day one, the worst PM ever. He should now show a little grace and bow out. The people on this forum are the only ones I have come across who love him and are in a minority . Ostrich syndrome.

Worse than Truss and Johnson? Come on. You’ve hated him from the start and are revelling in all this . Imo the situation regarding Mandelson giving Epstein insider information during the financial crisis should be getting more publicity. Everyone involved with Epstein is tainted by knowing him but Keir ( who I would imagine had no dealings with him) seems to be the one getting the most criticism. Imo the person who needs to go is McSweeney ( who I’ve never trusted).

Yes Allira, but now they are being unmasked.

This is a very serious state of affairs for the country as a whole, and it looks as though it is being managed by malign forces who have been playing us for a long time. We don't know what more is going to come out. We do know that figures across the political spectrum have been implicated in this, and it is leaving the UK vulnerable at a time of global insecurity.

This is what is terrifying.

It may put Johnson's birthday cake shenanigans in the shade but not his lying to the Queen, illegal partying on the eve of Prince Philip's funeral, the VIP procurement fraud, and the illegal proroguing of Parliament.
People can have short memories.

petra

kittylester

But, with Mandelson's reputation why on earth would anyone with sound judgement appointment him?

And is a man with such flawed judgment capable of running the country in these difficult times?

And, who appointed his advisors?

and who appointed his advisers He did 🤦🏼‍♀️

I am extremely surprised at some of Starmer's decisions.

I hoped for someone who would be a calm and steady leader who was also incisive and thorough, with integrity, not someone who could overlook rumours and transgressions of those he was appointing to represent our country overseas.
Perhaps he thought, as some of us did before we knew all the facts, that the wily Mandelson would be the right person to deal with Trump.

He must wonder now who he can trust in the cesspit.

“And there are also links with Bannon and Epstein regarding Brexit ( that is mentioned in the files).” MayBee70

I feel sure there are many more connections to people in high places that will come out of the files.

I doubt Starmer will survive this, and he probably doesn't deserve to do so; but this is not a time for popcorn and blatant gloating at his downfall. This is a very serious state of affairs for the country as a whole, and it looks as though it is being managed by malign forces who have been playing us for a long time. We don't know what more is going to come out. We do know that figures across the political spectrum have been implicated in this, and it is leaving the UK vulnerable at a time of global insecurity.

Whatever happens, it won't be 'end of' 🙄. It will have repercussions that will last for many years, and who knows what will happen to undermine our democracy further. I'm with those in the 'sad and frightened' corner. I have no interest in jeering and popcorn-eating.

I wish Starmer would just go. He’s been a disaster since day one, the worst PM ever. He should now show a little grace and bow out. The people on this forum are the only ones I have come across who love him and are in a minority . Ostrich syndrome.