How long can Starmer survive? Getting popcorn ready 🍿🍿

Rumour mill now saying they want to bin Starmer now and put Lamey in his place as temporary leader
- oh boy.......isn't he the one that believes in paying other countries "compensation" for historical wrongs that none of our ancestors did and has already handed over some of OUR money in that direction?

Maybe Angela is lined-up after him - now she's served time in the naughty corner.....oh boy again.....

Ladyleftfieldlover

Come on people… do we really want to get into Tory territory with a new PM every few months, if not weeks? Starmer has had an incredibly difficult start to his tenure. Admit it, the Tories were absolutely appalling. Liz Truss! Johnson. Both dreadful in their own special way. Of course the world is in utter turmoil at the moment, mainly due to the actions of the mad man in the Oval Office, trump. IMO Starmer is currently the best person for the international part of the job and with any luck it would be long before we’re back in the EU.

Oh, and why are the BBC going on constantly about Starmer’s missteps when Farage has behaved so incredibly badly.

Not just the BBC. Sky have had it in for Starmer right from the start. Why are they not banging on about Reforms links to Russia. Farages links with Bannon ( and his adoration of Trump). I still think that Cummings had links to Russia, too. As for being biased well, I think we all are to some extent. But I have always maintained that I will give credit where credit is due and won’t criticise a political party just for the sake of it. But I can’t understand the idolisation of Johnson and Farage or how some people have chosen to ignore the fact that Johnson was the worst possible leader at the worst possible time.

Sometimes we have to stay with the lesser of two evils (or least of possible evils).

I think we need to stay with the status quo at these tumultuous times, despite the fact that some of the decisions and U turns this Government (not Starmer alone) has made have been uncertain and disappointing.

Sackcloth and ashes all round ladies.

I think Starmer is an adult. I think he’s made some major mistakes. That doesn’t make him dishonest, disloyal to this country, or a man child.

Ladyleftfieldlover

Come on people… do we really want to get into Tory territory with a new PM every few months, if not weeks? Starmer has had an incredibly difficult start to his tenure. Admit it, the Tories were absolutely appalling. Liz Truss! Johnson. Both dreadful in their own special way. Of course the world is in utter turmoil at the moment, mainly due to the actions of the mad man in the Oval Office, trump. IMO Starmer is currently the best person for the international part of the job and with any luck it would be long before we’re back in the EU.

Oh, and why are the BBC going on constantly about Starmer’s missteps when Farage has behaved so incredibly badly.

You are (as said by another Gransnetter up-post) defending the indefensible! Would you be saying the same if it was a Tory PM’s ‘error of judgment’? No you would not …. and you should have the guts to admit it!

Maremia

I think this is going to work out well for our four nations,
if better scrutiny evolves to eliminate foreign interference in our politics. (Who was Epstein involved with? Israel and Russia have been suggested.)
If it stops Musk, an Epstein associate, being allowed to pump millions into any of our political parties.
If Palantir, and its spying technology, is rooted out of our facilities especially the NHS.

He has a company called Global Council. They deal with dubious Chinese and Russian clients.
I wouldn’t expect anything else from The Prince of Darkness.

Come on people… do we really want to get into Tory territory with a new PM every few months, if not weeks? Starmer has had an incredibly difficult start to his tenure. Admit it, the Tories were absolutely appalling. Liz Truss! Johnson. Both dreadful in their own special way. Of course the world is in utter turmoil at the moment, mainly due to the actions of the mad man in the Oval Office, trump. IMO Starmer is currently the best person for the international part of the job and with any luck it would be long before we’re back in the EU.

Oh, and why are the BBC going on constantly about Starmer’s missteps when Farage has behaved so incredibly badly.

GrannyGravy13

Galaxy

Not messiah but there were endless comments about now the adults are in the room, thank goodness no more drama, and so on. Similar myths swirled around Sturgeon because she wasn't Johnson.
It was always going to end badly.

Yes 👍🏻

Yes, but that's not the same thing at all, is it?

I was pleased he won the GE, and still am - more Tory mismanagement would have been worse than we've seen since last July. The fuss over free glasses pales into insignificance compared to the corruption over PPE; and what is being written off as 'cake' was about lying and double standards at a time of national crisis. Not failure to deliver on promises made in opposition, but bare-faced lies.

Starmer has not been anywhere near as good as I'd hoped, but he has had far more challenges than the last lot - not least being the media, who never let up for a minute.

Doodledog

Who thought KS was the second Messiah?

He gained a landslide victory in the GE, so yes, there were lots of people who voted for him, but the Messiah fantasy is in your head, unless you can point us to a reputable source for that revelation TheHappyGardener. Maybe you have the guts to admit that?

My guess, which is all any of us have unless we are very close to the seat of power, is that he has to be extremely careful with statements and speeches, as the police are looking into the Mandelson affair with a view to prosecution, and the last thing we ned is for something said in an unscripted moment to jeopardise that. Maybe you know better, though?

The impression I got of him being the second Messiah was entirely gleaned from comments on GN Doodledog - apparently some Gransnetters thought he could (and would) do no wrong! How wrong were they??

Galaxy

Not messiah but there were endless comments about now the adults are in the room, thank goodness no more drama, and so on. Similar myths swirled around Sturgeon because she wasn't Johnson.
It was always going to end badly.

Yes 👍🏻

I've no idea how long he can survive of if he will.

However, I won't be laughing and eating popcorn.

The UK is in a difficult place, as is the world. Not amusing.

Not messiah but there were endless comments about now the adults are in the room, thank goodness no more drama, and so on. Similar myths swirled around Sturgeon because she wasn't Johnson.
It was always going to end badly.

Who thought KS was the second Messiah?

He gained a landslide victory in the GE, so yes, there were lots of people who voted for him, but the Messiah fantasy is in your head, unless you can point us to a reputable source for that revelation TheHappyGardener. Maybe you have the guts to admit that?

My guess, which is all any of us have unless we are very close to the seat of power, is that he has to be extremely careful with statements and speeches, as the police are looking into the Mandelson affair with a view to prosecution, and the last thing we ned is for something said in an unscripted moment to jeopardise that. Maybe you know better, though?

No worries about state secrets, when speaking of Johnson?
What about that party abroad, when he dismissed his Security officers, spent the time in the company of Russians, and rocked up dishevelled the next day?

Just watched Never Here Starmer literally reading from some (pre-prepared by his media staff) notes in response to questions from the BBC on the PM fiasco - SO genuine ……. 🙄🙄 All the Labour Party supporters who have been so critical of Tory party politics in the past and who thought he was the second Messiah, at the very least have the guts to now admit you were wrong!

I totally agree.

I think he funded a donkey sanctuary.

Do please list them surfsup, right back to 5 July 2024.

MayBee70

For heavens sake, Johnson’s downfall wasn’t just about the cakes; it was a never ending stream of scandal starting from even before he was PM.

Much like Starmer but Starmer’s so called mistakes are far, far more serious and it has been one after the other since his premiership began.

At least State Secrets weren't in the mix. Hebert Morrison must be turning in his grave.

If it had only been the cake.
There also was lying to the Queen,the illegal proroguation of Parliament,
the illegal party on the eve of Prince Philip's funeral.

MayBee70

surfsup

When I think how he went after Boris over cake and wine it sickens me. I’m not a supporter of BJ by any means or a Tory voter but KS has been a disaster.

Watching Newsnight last night, the Labour MP Barry Gardiner was livid at how KS has handled this and basically could barely say his name.

For heavens sake, Johnson’s downfall wasn’t just about the cakes; it was a never ending stream of scandal starting from even before he was PM.

Absolutely, Maybee.

The thing that ultimately did for Johnson was his Cabinet turning against him over Pincher. All those resignations...

Labour have used the device themselves in the past, indeed Starmer did in 2017 when Shadow Brexit Secretary, calling for economic impact assessments. He told the HoC: “We believe this is a binding motion.”

Yes, but Labour used it in opposition.

When in government it wouldn't be expected that MPs in the government party would support it if it were contrary to the government's wishes.

surfsup

When I think how he went after Boris over cake and wine it sickens me. I’m not a supporter of BJ by any means or a Tory voter but KS has been a disaster.

Watching Newsnight last night, the Labour MP Barry Gardiner was livid at how KS has handled this and basically could barely say his name.

For heavens sake, Johnson’s downfall wasn’t just about the cakes; it was a never ending stream of scandal starting from even before he was PM.

When I think how he went after Boris over cake and wine it sickens me. I’m not a supporter of BJ by any means or a Tory voter but KS has been a disaster.

Watching Newsnight last night, the Labour MP Barry Gardiner was livid at how KS has handled this and basically could barely say his name.