Mark Carney's speech at Davos

Sorry if it drives people mad - the transcript - but I assume you scrolled past it☺️.

I think the idea of middle powers working together has merit, but I keep going back to the fact that we had a rules based order that stood us in good stead for 80 years.

Ok it has failed recently, but unless we have some sort of rule how on earth can the middling countries, hope to survive without forming strong coalitions like the EU?

@Galaxy

A link to what Paue Embery said about Carney's speech would be very helpful.

Otherwise, I'm none the wiser as to what you are criticising.

Wasn't Paul Embery a very vocal Brexit supporter? Not sure he would have many points of agreement with Mark Carney.

I don't agree that it is a recent failure, as I said on a previous thread the concept of international law has been just that ( a concept) for years.
Iraq
Ukraine
What consequences were there? If you can't enforce a law it is meaningless.

x.com/i/status/2013945421270589655

Crikey I am rarely successful at linking on this phone.
I don't care what anyone says now, that ability has made me happy

Of course IL has failed in these particular cases, but it has proven very useful and successful in many other areas.

Human rights has been upheld, particularly in the west.

The Antarctic and artic has largely been protected.

Every day large states abide by IL when dealing with smaller states.

Disputes are largely resolved through IL rather than by force.

Don’t dismiss IL as something that is merely a concept and not something that oils our diplomatic wheels every single day.

I read Mark Carney's speech yesterday and thought he demonstrated powerful leadership. It struck a nerve with Trump- who retaliated later to Carney, in his own speech in a childish, petulant way... Trump also seemingly backed down on Tariff retaliation and using force in Greenland. Did Carney's speech on the Davos world stage have any impact on Trump's advisors such as they advised Trump to tone down his rhetoric and actions- maybe...

Carney has had a long standing career as an economist and central banker speaking beside business leaders and political elite on the world stage of global thinkers and multinational institutions. He articulates and stands up for the values of international co operation and the need for shared rules and open economies. Trump threatens that and Carney holds no fear whatsoever in standing up for his values and beliefs, on the world stage, towards Trump, in a measured articulate way. In sharp contrast to Trump.

I applaud Carney for leading the way.

Yes, and I think his strength in standing up to Trump and the enthusiasm his speech created went a good way towards Trump backing down.

Trump is the naked emperor.

Galaxy

Crikey I am rarely successful at linking on this phone.
I don't care what anyone says now, that ability has made me happy

Link, even though to X, much appreciated. Thanks, Galaxy

I'm not a member of the "chattering classes" described in Embery's tweet, just a rather elderly woman who cares about the world we live in and who is appalled by the way Trump has set about wrecking so much that has given the world some sense of order, however imperfect that world may be. Using Havel's greengrocer analogy was a very apt introduction to his speech and the perfect antidote to Trump's assertion that those with power can subordinate those with less power, getting a standing ovation from the audience at Davos was a tiny but important step in changing mindsets.

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I am glad it made you happier.

Carney comes over as an intelligent, experienced statesman. A grown up!

Galaxy

I am glad it made you happier.

Thank you, happy is not a word I'd use to describe my feelings, more hopeful is probably closer but I'm also realistic!

This Canadian applauds our prime minister for his speech.He did our country proud. Just hope it hasn’t annoyed Trump so much that he will retaliate in his spiteful way.

Yes refreshing to hear an articulate, eloquent speech. And nice to see a well groomed attractive man in politics ( yes I know that’s shallow) . Basically he was saying don’t put all your eggs in one basket in a forceful and convincing way.

It's great to be able to actually listen to a political speech.

vegansrock

Yes refreshing to hear an articulate, eloquent speech. And nice to see a well groomed attractive man in politics ( yes I know that’s shallow) . Basically he was saying don’t put all your eggs in one basket in a forceful and convincing way.

Blimey vegansrock I find myself agreeing with you 🙀

Wow! What a speech and PM of Canada for less than a year!
I am British and hold dual citizenship with both countries. Although I live in Canada I spend a lot of time in the UK and have a vested interest in both countries. I believe Mark Carney and Keir Starmer, among others, are doing an excellent job in trying to pave the way for the future. This speech makes me feel hopeful.

vegansrock

Yes refreshing to hear an articulate, eloquent speech. And nice to see a well groomed attractive man in politics ( yes I know that’s shallow) . Basically he was saying don’t put all your eggs in one basket in a forceful and convincing way.

I had a massive crush on Mark Carney when he was head of the Bank of England ( I think there’s something of the Sam Neill about him). There was a very good interview with him on The Rest is Politics Leading a couple of years ago.

CocoPops

Wow! What a speech and PM of Canada for less than a year!
I am British and hold dual citizenship with both countries. Although I live in Canada I spend a lot of time in the UK and have a vested interest in both countries. I believe Mark Carney and Keir Starmer, among others, are doing an excellent job in trying to pave the way for the future. This speech makes me feel hopeful.

Me too!

Thank you for the speech. It is remarkable in its astuteness and intellectual heft. My first thought was that it was unlikely that Trump would understand it but would probably pick upthe tone and general understanding of its significance.

I’ve just listened to it because my daughter messaged me earlier with a ‘wow’. For the first time in ages I feel a flicker of hope.

I'm so pleased that people found the time to read or watch the whole speech rather than rely on biased media interpretations of what he said. He's an excellent commentator who wants to bring people together for the greater good, so different to those in this world who thrive on hate, division and personal gain. I sincerely hope that more people of influence follow his lead.