Should men be banned from working in nurseries?

Oreo

What kind of man wants to work in a nursery? Men don’t get into jobs where they can abuse children by chance, they seek out those kind of jobs.
Nurseries should never ever employ men.

What kind of man?
What kind of man wants to be an Early Years of Primary teacher, a paediatrician, a male nurse, a male carer?
A man with a vocation in health care, education, nursing, basically just like any woman.
Are you also ruling out Dads?

My eldest son held a NNEB certificate many years ago and worked for a short time in a nursery. He was always a kind and nurturing young man, very good with his younger siblings, and hoped it may be a way into teaching as he did not have the right qualifications for teaching at the time. He didn't last very long because the pay was poor and the hours long. He now works in a very male oriented environment as an engineer earning a much better salary. He is also an excellent father to his young daughter. I find it most distasteful and upsetting that people would view his earlier occupation as somehow suspect.

LemonJam

Thanks for clarifying Allira that you would not ban from caring roles- I hadn't fully grasped that and I agree. I also agree there is no defence for this man- or any others found to abuse children.

Both women and men have been found to abuse nursery ry school age children, whatever the actual proportions and you can't ban both male and female carers!

Thanks for clarifying Allira that you would not ban from caring roles- I hadn't fully grasped that and I agree.

Thanks LemonJam

GrannyGravy13

I am not disputing the sex offender percentages per se.

I am disputing that a ban on males in caring professions will not alter these percentages, an abuser will always find a way to abuse.

I totally stand by my post that we shouldn’t start banning men from caring roles.

I totally stand by my post that we shouldn’t start banning men from caring roles.

I never said we should.

vegansrock

Surely the answer is that a nursery worker should not be able to be alone when performing intimate care of a child, perhaps nappy changing areas should be open plan or have windows so the workers are visible. Workers should not have their personal mobile phones on them during their contact time with the children. CCTV could be on the premises at key areas, such as where the children are sleeping. Safeguarding should be top of the agenda.

Yes.

Safeguarding should be top of the agenda.
This absolutely. It should go without saying.

anna7

Of course men should not be banned from working in nurseries. Men can and should be positive male role models. Are only women capable of looking after young children? How sexist!

Unless there is adequate safeguarding in place it doesn’t matter whether they’re male or female.
However, sexist or not, I wouldn’t have left my pre-talking stage daughters in the care of a male.

Of course men should not be banned from working in nurseries. Men can and should be positive male role models. Are only women capable of looking after young children? How sexist!

From what I can see it was laptops belonging to the nursery. I know of no nurseries that allow staff mobile phones, and they fight quite an endless battle to stop parents using theirs on drop offs.

Surely the answer is that a nursery worker should not be able to be alone when performing intimate care of a child, perhaps nappy changing areas should be open plan or have windows so the workers are visible. Workers should not have their personal mobile phones on them during their contact time with the children. CCTV could be on the premises at key areas, such as where the children are sleeping. Safeguarding should be top of the agenda.

What kind of man wants to work in a nursery? Men don’t get into jobs where they can abuse children by chance, they seek out those kind of jobs.
Nurseries should never ever employ men.

The statistics for male sex offending both against children and adults are available for anyone to Google. I think it is fine to argue against a ban but you are increasing risk. Men commit crimes in a completely different way to women.

GrannyGravy13

I am not disputing the sex offender percentages per se.

I am disputing that a ban on males in caring professions will not alter these percentages, an abuser will always find a way to abuse.

I totally stand by my post that we shouldn’t start banning men from caring roles.

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I will answer the OP in one word…Yes!!

Thanks for clarifying Allira that you would not ban from caring roles- I hadn't fully grasped that and I agree. I also agree there is no defence for this man- or any others found to abuse children.

Both women and men have been found to abuse nursery ry school age children, whatever the actual proportions and you can't ban both male and female carers!

@allira

*92% of sex offenders are men, GravyGravy.
Less than 4% of women are paedophiles.
The statistics speak for themselves.*

Do you have a link to the above statistics, please?

LemonJam

Allira 92% of sex offenders are men, GravyGravy.
"Less than 4% of women are paedophiles. The statistics speak for themselves".

You need to provide statistics for female and male NURSERY CARE WORKERS who are found to be sexual offenders of PRE SCHOOL children Allira to support you case.

You only need two, * Lemonjam*, to prove the hypothesis, unless you are saying that 98 women nursery workers have been convicted of sexual abuse of their charges in which case there would be far more reports of this.

There is no defence of this man and those statistics speak fir themselves.

GrannyGravy13

I am not disputing the sex offender percentages per se.

I am disputing that a ban on males in caring professions will not alter these percentages, an abuser will always find a way to abuse.

I totally stand by my post that we shouldn’t start banning men from caring roles.

And I completely agree!

I am not disputing the sex offender percentages per se.

I am disputing that a ban on males in caring professions will not alter these percentages, an abuser will always find a way to abuse.

I totally stand by my post that we shouldn’t start banning men from caring roles.

Allira 92% of sex offenders are men, GravyGravy.
"Less than 4% of women are paedophiles. The statistics speak for themselves".

You need to provide statistics for female and male NURSERY CARE WORKERS who are found to be sexual offenders of PRE SCHOOL children Allira to support you case.

GrannyGravy13

Allira that applies to women and men.

I just do not think it is ok to demonise all men due to the actions of one 🤷‍♀️

92% of sex offenders are men, GravyGravy.
Less than 4% of women are paedophiles.

The statistics speak for themselves.

I do remember, after one particularly distressing case, a colleague saying that she would never leave her children with a male carer.
Perhaps it skews one's judgement but really, some have no idea. Most cases do not get as much publicity as this one, which is particularly horrendous.

GrannyGravy13

Allira that applies to women and men.

I just do not think it is ok to demonise all men due to the actions of one 🤷‍♀️

My feelings precisely.

Allira that applies to women and men.

I just do not think it is ok to demonise all men due to the actions of one 🤷‍♀️

Cossy

Perhaps men shouldn’t be allowed to be school teachers, doctors, scout leaders or priests?

I have no issue with males working in whatever profession they choose and are good at!

Such blanket discrimination.

No, there should not be a blanket ban, o course.

But these babies and toddlers were particularly vulnerable as they were far too young to be aware that what was happening to them was wrong and to be able to verbalise it to a parent.

More scrutiny, more supervision.

I have no issue with males working in whatever profession they choose and are good at!

It's not a question of being good at a job or profession. It's a case that these people, in a position of trust, should be above reproach.

Perhaps men shouldn’t be allowed to be school teachers, doctors, scout leaders or priests?

I have no issue with males working in whatever profession they choose and are good at!

Such blanket discrimination.

Quote Galaxy Thu 04-Dec-25 18:34:59
"Discussing the risks presented by men is not misandry, it is reality. The risk presented by men is also one of the reasons used to ensure we have single sex spaces. Unless that is misandry too?".

This nursery was not a single sex nursery- that is not the norm. Nurseries are not required by law to ensure safe spaces for either female or male sex children separately in their establishments. Protection of women only space, e.g membership pf the WI, toilet provision etc is an adult issue in context of transsexuals and not relevant to the safe care of pre school children in nurseries surely?