BBC expected to apologise for doctoring Trump videos

Do you like the flavoured tonic, Allira?

Had a member of the public complained (but no-one did) the most that would have happened would have been an apology and a correction. It was not a hanging offence.

I think expecting a member of the public to have watched the whole original speech and remembered it to the extent of knowing that precise sentence was never said when it was portrayed in the panorama program is a bit of a stretch.

Given how generally reluctant to ever admit blame or misjudgement the BBC is I'm not sure any apology would have been forthcoming. I can appreciate your doubts about Prescott's motives, but that still doesn't excuse the BBC from a deliberate act. I've said so many times that Trump did not need his words distorted, he gave a ton of ammunition for honest criticism. Prescott didn't only raise the Trump issue though did he? He raised concerns about bias and control in other areas.

^ The editing of the documentary has been blown up out of all proportion.^

I think you may be the only GN poster who thinks that.

No matter that it seems Prescott did some splicing does that make the accusation against the BBC incorrect or untrue? One wrong does not excuse another wrong, isn't that something that is oft posted on GN?

I think it weakens Prescott's case considerably. The editing of the documentary has been blown up out of all proportion. It in no way misrepresented the truth of what happened that day as a result of Trump's incitement. Had a member of the public complained (but no-one did) the most that would have happened would have been an apology and a correction. It was not a hanging offence.

For Prescott to also splice the speech in a way which does make it look rather more uninflammatory than it really was does not seem to be the action of the disinterested complainant he claims to be. I feel it was extremely dishonest to complain about a spliced speech with a similarly spliced speech extract supposedly showing 'the truth'.

I have my doubts about his motives...

Thank you Rosie , yes it was sliced or not sliced, if not why resignations ?

MaizieD

Anniebach

The BBC did the splicing

And Prescott also did some splicing in his 'memo'. Did you not read my whole post?

Oh Trump revelled in the violence in my opinion, no doubt at all. But does that justify the deliberate splicing by the BBC? I think Anniebach was pointing out that contrary to what some seem to believe it was not the film maker that did the edit it was, and has been confirmed by themselves, the BBC.

No matter that it seems Prescott did some splicing does that make the accusation against the BBC incorrect or untrue? One wrong does not excuse another wrong, isn't that something that is oft posted on GN?

AGAA4

We shouldn't forget that whatever Trump said incited the violence on the Capitol building. Trump watched as Republicans stormed through and was "excited" by it some near him said.
I'm not excusing the BBC but the attack happened and Trump was accused of incitement so the splicing didn't actually do any more damage to Trump over this.

I hope the BBC have learned from this and now Tim Davie has gone we may have someone much better than him.

I think Trump even got kudos for inciting violence - even if it didn’t happen - because his fan base were mainly in favour of this, seeing it as Trump taking on the establishment.

Anniebach

The BBC did the splicing

And Prescott also did some splicing in his 'memo'. Did you not read my whole post?

It’s in all likelihood going to be aired in court so that verdict will be very interesting. How anyone can make sense of all this conflicting information is beyond me but the White House press secretary announced that the case will be heard…. Part of the saving Britain Campaign no doubt? Good luck with that.

The BBC did the splicing

Maremia

So, there is a variety of versions of the words of Trump.
I think in all fairness, the whole speech should be rebroadcast, including actual footage from the day, including the assault on the building, including the 'calls' for help to Trump from Mike Pence and others.
Including his silence, which in its own way, spoke volumes.

Do we have to listen to all 59 minutes of it?
Mine's a G&T, lemon no ice. Thanks.

Well, he definitely didn’t respect the result of the election did he and tried to get it overturned in other ways.

We shouldn't forget that whatever Trump said incited the violence on the Capitol building. Trump watched as Republicans stormed through and was "excited" by it some near him said.
I'm not excusing the BBC but the attack happened and Trump was accused of incitement so the splicing didn't actually do any more damage to Trump over this.

I hope the BBC have learned from this and now Tim Davie has gone we may have someone much better than him.

So, there is a variety of versions of the words of Trump.

So it appears, but the version used to damn the BBC is as 'spliced' and misleading as the version in the documentary.

So, there is a variety of versions of the words of Trump.
I think in all fairness, the whole speech should be rebroadcast, including actual footage from the day, including the assault on the building, including the 'calls' for help to Trump from Mike Pence and others.
Including his silence, which in its own way, spoke volumes.

Well, this is interesting in view of the fact that the BBC has been pilloried for splicing two parts of a speech together.

This extract comes from the text of Prescott's leaked 'memo'. It has been published in full on the government website
committees.parliament.uk/publications/50118/documents/270340/default/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

The spliced together version of Trump’s comments aired by Panorama made it seem that he said: “We’re gonna walk down to the Capitol and I’ll be with you and wefight. We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not gonna have a country anymore.”

In reality, the first part of Trump’s speech: “We’re gonna walk down to the Capitol and I’ll be with you,” came 15 minutes into the speech. The second half of the sentence that was aired by Panorama, “and we fight. We fight like hell….” came 54 minutes later.

Fifteen minutes into the speech, what Trump actually said:

“ We are gonna walk down tothe Capitol and I’ll be with you.
^ I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. ”^

It was completely misleading to edit the clip in the way Panorama aired it

James Ball, writing in the New World magazine has this to say:

The full version of the quote that Prescott cites reads very differently. Here it is below, with the sections Prescott uses in bold.

“ We’re gonna walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.

“Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.

“ I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

www.thenewworld.co.uk/james-ball-exclusive-the-error-at-the-heart-of-trumps-bbc-attack/?utm_source=bluesky&utm_medium=social

“Look at the messenger” is just coming over as one of many diversionary tactics to try to justify or divert attention from the actual problem of deliberate falsification of news.

I don’t hold the messenger in any regard whatsoever but all the different excuses being trotted definitely aren’t restoring any faith in the BBC.

There’s so many different ones you just have to ask why so desperate.

I want some reassurance that anyone involved with the editing of the Trump tapes doesn’t become Head of BBC news or Director General in the future. If there is a future for dinosaurs ….

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

As I posted on the other BBC thread

the bottom line is the Beeb has breached the rules of its charter on more than one occasion, and it has been brought out in the open

People seem more concerned about the whistleblower than the fact that the BBC has been found to be less than truthful?

No to be fair that isn’t really correct.

Yes the bbc has made ridiculous errors and yes it needs a complete overhaul regarding its top level.

But I do think that there has been a consistent attack on the bbc over the years - starting with Thatcher to try to get rid of it. The reason it hasn’t happened is largely like the NHS, it is too well regarded and would be political suicide.

That is why we are looking at the messenger as well as the message - we know exactly where the messenger is coming from.

You did well until the last sentence Whitewavemark2 because it doesn’t matter about the messenger if the message is true.
I don’t want to see the BBC defunded any more than you but I want them to put their house in order and change, not continue in denial and arrogance.

to GG13

Agree also

David49

“David49-"And BBC supporters should also be challenged on their political stance".

Why? And what is your criteria for a "BBC supporter" anyway?”

Because I believe that the BBC has a liberal leftist editorial bias supporters would want that to continue, and there are plenty of liberal leftists on GN.

I agree.

GrannyGravy13

As I posted on the other BBC thread

the bottom line is the Beeb has breached the rules of its charter on more than one occasion, and it has been brought out in the open

People seem more concerned about the whistleblower than the fact that the BBC has been found to be less than truthful?

No to be fair that isn’t really correct.

Yes the bbc has made ridiculous errors and yes it needs a complete overhaul regarding its top level.

But I do think that there has been a consistent attack on the bbc over the years - starting with Thatcher to try to get rid of it. The reason it hasn’t happened is largely like the NHS, it is too well regarded and would be political suicide.

That is why we are looking at the messenger as well as the message - we know exactly where the messenger is coming from.

👏👏👏 GrannyGravy so true

As I posted on the other BBC thread

the bottom line is the Beeb has breached the rules of its charter on more than one occasion, and it has been brought out in the open

People seem more concerned about the whistleblower than the fact that the BBC has been found to be less than truthful?