Multiple stabbings on train Huntingdon

And now that wonderful Hero has been described as an 'Algerian Muslim'.

Algerian Muslims can be heros!

love0c

When I go walking in my local park we always see mentally ill people being escorted by carers. Sometime one of either side of them. It is not unusual to see the carers having to wrestle with the mentally ill person. It can be frightening to see and we keep well, well away when we see this. Some paths are very narrow and you really need to keep your wits about you as often the ill person breaks away from them and the carers quickly grab hold of them.

How do you know the people are mentally ill? Our reservoir woodland an village walks are well used by staff from local facilities. We have a school for pupils aged six - 18 for children with extensive physical, psychological, psychiatric needs, many have learning difficulties. Some need two or three carers

I’m always pleased to see these people out in the fresh air and countryside. So good for their wellbeing, I usually share the footpaths as I’ll be walking my dogs. I put the dogs on leads as some want to get up close and others are scared, just like the other people enjoying a walk

Got everything crossed Samir makes a full recovery although I think his mental scars will last long after his physical ones. I think everyone would understand if he didnt want to return to his current job. He deserves the George Cross. The news says he is critical but stable.

They do know. Knives falling out of pockets in public places is normal here. Police don’t attend and some of these people with knives go on to stab and even kill young people.

I blame austerity. Sorry but I do

Austerity to blame for knife crime??

I don't think we have ever had life so easy from a material point of view.

It's more likely the lack of father figures, loving discipline and opportunities to succeed. Gangs are about belonging snd identity.

Iam64

love0c

When I go walking in my local park we always see mentally ill people being escorted by carers. Sometime one of either side of them. It is not unusual to see the carers having to wrestle with the mentally ill person. It can be frightening to see and we keep well, well away when we see this. Some paths are very narrow and you really need to keep your wits about you as often the ill person breaks away from them and the carers quickly grab hold of them.

How do you know the people are mentally ill? Our reservoir woodland an village walks are well used by staff from local facilities. We have a school for pupils aged six - 18 for children with extensive physical, psychological, psychiatric needs, many have learning difficulties. Some need two or three carers

I’m always pleased to see these people out in the fresh air and countryside. So good for their wellbeing, I usually share the footpaths as I’ll be walking my dogs. I put the dogs on leads as some want to get up close and others are scared, just like the other people enjoying a walk

People confuse mentally ill and having learning difficulties. I suspect that's is evident in the post.

Franski 👍
Obviously they can afford to buy the knives too.

Franski

Austerity to blame for knife crime??

I don't think we have ever had life so easy from a material point of view.

It's more likely the lack of father figures, loving discipline and opportunities to succeed. Gangs are about belonging snd identity.

Austerity has been responsible for cut backs in mental health and social care services and in the police force.

Allira

Franski 👍
Obviously they can afford to buy the knives too.

I bought a knife just like the train attacker had just a few days ago for £3.50.

Austerity saw the end to the Youth Service in my area. They had some fantastic things going on with disaffected young people.

StripeyGran

Austerity saw the end to the Youth Service in my area. They had some fantastic things going on with disaffected young people.

To be fair, the train attacker isn't that young (32). I guess we'll find in due course what his background is. If he is schizophrenic, it would be unusual for their not to have been any symptoms before he's 32.

It is a tenuous link for sure. But I think a lot of good work was done in dissuading young people from getting caught up in dangerous activities.

I don't think this is what this is, though. 32 isn't young ( I mean, it is to me obviously, but he's not a teenager). This sounds quite different to the 'usual' knife crime.

It isn’t tenuous, it’s true. The generation of working class YP caught up in knife crime are a direct result and consequence of austerity.

This guy would have been 17 or younger when cuts to youth services were made.

Galaxy

I don't think this is what this is, though. 32 isn't young ( I mean, it is to me obviously, but he's not a teenager). This sounds quite different to the 'usual' knife crime.

Yes.

He is a man, not a young teenager.

Knives fall out of peoples pockets (like the man involved) and the police don’t attend. Nothing is logged. Oh oops someone gets stabbed or even killed

‘Lessons will be learned’

It’s not even worth me even mentioning it. No one cares

Unfortunately this horrible incident may be yet another failure of our overextended mental heath facilities. The words the man apparently said may have come from a state of mental confusion, fear, and desperation.

I agree Elrel. This man was extremely mentally ill. Somewhere a mental health team who discharged him will be trembling.

It seems likely this man was psychotic and possibly other issues.
Austerity led to the devastation of mh, youth, social care,nhs, police and criminal justice services. Thats the reality. I’m not suggesting our current government is problem free but what an absolute mess they have to somehow turn round

To many public services have been cut to the quick. Care in the Community, adult social care, mental health initiatives. And there are not enough police to prevent these kind of crimes.
Young people with mental health problems from deprived areas often end up homeless, on the streets, where they don’t have access to the meds they need so they self medicate with drugs or alcohol. They not only commit violent acts but are often taking up space in hospitals and prisons because there is nowhere else for them to go.
Until the money is made available to deal with this problem effectively these kind of attacks will unfortunately be repeated.
But this is is not a tasty headline grabbing vote winning issue, like illegal migrants on small boats or unemployed scroungers etc.
Is about time we recalibrated our priorities.

Correction - Too many

Aveline

I agree Elrel. This man was extremely mentally ill. Somewhere a mental health team who discharged him will be trembling.

We dont know he was discharged.
People in that state of mind can be good at evading supervision as they dont want the side effects of their drugs, and even with the best will in the world, with current resources, unless they know they have come off the meds and it was post the last check up, what do we suppose should have been done?

Blame years of austerity. Since `I worked in Mental heath, and the became a customer, I've experienced year on year shrinkage.

Gone are the wards (I was an inpatient a the time of the more or less last chances to stay in one that actually was for healing and protection, 2008 ish - instead of now - crisis management of those very ill either suicidal or dangerous is all that is left.

Older adults for the whole of my large city has 15 yes - 15 beds. Its worse proportionally for 16 to 65, and of course includes more young men in particular who tend to be extreme in terms of both suicide and violence.

Yet I saw a man virtually trying to crawl up walls able to go back to work in 3 weeks after medication kicked in.

I also saw, sadly, a young man from war torn Somalia who had internalised racist values from the old empire days to such an extent who fell to his knees in front of top me and an older nurse as "respectable white women" begging forgiveness of us. He was trying to eat plastic forks to kill himself the self hate was so great.

I met a young Pakistani woman who went round asking everybody whether she looked better in Pakistani or English dress as voices in her head (a white English school teacher voice) told her she was ugly in Pakistani dress.

We all said you look beautiful in both.

Most poignantly of all a fairly young traditional Muslim man who decided I was trustable and asked me, "did I think the staff wanted to kill him?" I just said well I liked some of them and didn't like some of them but I didn't think they wanted to kill anyone.

Wake up gransnetters this is the reality in Mental Health and some racism too.

I saw no patient violence, but of course they would have been in the very high intensity unit.

Now they are all more or less high intensity closed wards - unless you can afford the Priory.

A friend of mine a year ago was shipped to the far north of England after being sectioned and it was a pretty bad place. It's like in physical care - but worse - in terms of bed shortages.

Slightly off-topic, but the Southport Inquiry, which is investigating the murders of the three little girls in Southport, makes chilling reading. So many opportunities to prevent what happened were missed.

There are various sources.

My closest friend has schizophrenia, she has been ill on and off for the many years I have known her. It is interesting that her care a few years ago was so much better than the first time I saw her fall ill. Crisis team care within the home compared to an absolute hell hole of a ward thirty years ago.