Grooming gangs in London

It is beyond evil how those in establishment keep deliberately failing the victims of these crimes. And shielding the perpetrators to protect their jobs. Those poor young women.

Can we please stop calling them grooming gangs and call them what they are ...Rape gangs

Maremia

Are they planning to investigate all ethnicities of grooming gangs?

I don't know but finding out if any gangs are operated by and have members who are illegal immigrants would be helpful to the authorities.

eazybee

It is dishonest and quite deliberate, and a tactic that Labour employ with increasing frequency; refusing to admit the situation, denying it exists, then agreeing to an investigation but simply ignoring it.
Inquiries were promised after Jess Phillips did her best to limit them to five only; there was footage of her in Parliament blaming the Tories for everything because it happened during their watch. Perhaps now she realises the difficulties and obstructions they and anyone else has in conducting an investigation with people as unfortunately influential as Sadiq Khan denying the facts.

I must admit to not following this thoroughly ( still avoiding the news) but I still don’t understand why Labour, who have been in power for just over a year, seem to be getting the blame for everything when the Conservatives had been in power for 14 years prior to that. Seeing a small clip of Johnson at the covid enquiry made me remember what a useless disorganised embarrassing PM he was. Having said that I don’t intend to defend Labour out of loyalty. But I feel that people have short memories when they look back on the previous government.

Maremia

Are they planning to investigate all ethnicities of grooming gangs?

An important part of the enquiry is not just to look at the ethnicity of grooming gangs , but at the way in which knowledge of what was happening was treated.

It is a fact that our data on ethnicity is unreliable because in many cases it was not recorded - for whatever reason. The reason for that needs to be established along with any difference in investigations and prosecutions based on ethnicity.

This is a vital, vital part of the investigation and one that the victims believe is being brushed under the carpet.

Along with the victims testimony as to the part religious belief paid in their grooming. The accounts of how this was this presented to them as a justification for their abuse makes horrific reading and should not be ignored.

Anyone who hasn't suffered abuse of any kind, cannot possibly imagine the fear and horrors these girls went through. Hearing and believing them is the least that should be done.

I'm sorry I'm not adding any meaningful to this thread.

I'm just joining it to say I'm finding this more distasteful and distressing the more I hear and read.

I did think that in the last 50 or 60 years women have managed to shake off a lot of the "subservient, second class citizens etc" labels. I like to think I played a tiny part. I was fortunate in being raised in a way that I never gave a thought to girls and boys/men and women not being anything but equal.

The rise of mysogyny - easily accessed via social media, the grooming gangs, the Epstein affair - and even a story line on Eastenders seems to me that we're just going backwards.

I feel so for these girls. Both for the ignonimy they are going through and for those who have made the brave and forceful choice to stand down as they felt "stitched up".

All grooming gangs are hideous and should be investigated no matter what their ethnicity. However the majority of those arrested recently are Asian. There is no getting away from that. It's what some people are afraid to say.

Maremia this inquiry has been triggered by the fact that the police and social services were aware of these predominately Muslim men of Pakistani heritage who formed gangs to groom and sexually abuse, rape etc vulnerable children, mainly girls and many in social care. Police and social workers didn't speak up to avoid raising 'racial tensions'. Some went so far as to suggest girls far below the age of consent were in fact consenting. One ten year old was categorised as having prostituted herself! So the ethnicity of the gangs is a factor.

Why are you concerned that the inquiry should focus on these victims, some of whom have waived their anonymity for the hope of justice and progress? There is a huge amount of information online which you could read to acquaint yourself with why this particular inquiry should concentrate on this particular area. Or are you wanting to join Jess Phillips in calling the victims who have resigned from the panel liars?

Somebody explain to me why the argument about which political party did or didn’t do what bothers them more than investigating and stopping the grooming gangs.

Maremia

So, all of this has surfaced since Labour was in power?
Or did the Tory Government know about it, but didn't quite think it was important enough to do anything?
And will they be looking at grooming gangs of all ethnicities?

I’m assuming you mean when labour came to power in 2024. ?
It certainly came to Tony Blair’s notice in 2003 when Anne Cryer contacted him. That, together with a documentary on tv highlighting the abuse in Keighley where an 28 month investigation had been going on.
Please note: Labour was in power from 1997-2010 =13 years.
The tories were in power from 2010- 2024 = 14 years.
Nobody comes out smelling of roses on this.
But at at least the tories didn’t shout racist at there own people as the Labour Party did ( back in 2003)

www.lbc.co.uk/article/mp-smeared-racist-grooming-gangs-rpXrR_2/

For whoever referred to GB News being the "only channel talking about this", Newsnight (BBC2) have had this item on, and some time ago.

For Wyllow, and "on the Tory watch" -- going back decades, this Grooming Gang problem pretty much only happens in areas with Labour Councils, right round the country (and that dates back to when there wear far fewer of them).

For ANYONE surprised that Sadiq Khan is trying to minimise a problem that affects his race and religion -- well, you really haven't been keeping up!

NB -- this isn't a party political stance, I've frequently said I have no great faith in ANY politicos, of any badge, to avoid the burdens of incompetence, corruption, and/or self/party interest preceding ours.

Are they planning to investigate all ethnicities of grooming gangs?

Primrose53

petra

If you have the time listen to the wonderful brave Times Reporter who got the story out nationally.
Andrew Norton.
And that started with a phone call from another wonderful brave woman: Anne Cryer.
I don’t use the word brave lightly.
If people like Maggie Oliver have to have protection and Nazir Hafzel have had their and their families lives threatened you are a brave man and woman to take on this evil.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0026ncy

Maggie Oliver was on GB News last night and at the end she thanked Patrick Christys and GB News for tirelessly investigating the grooming gangs. She said without Charlie Peters work on this it would never have got this far and was very pleased that they kept this in the news when others failed to do so.

well done GB News 👏👏

It makes you wonder who else is covering up what and why.

Just tragic Allira.

petra

If you have the time listen to the wonderful brave Times Reporter who got the story out nationally.
Andrew Norton.
And that started with a phone call from another wonderful brave woman: Anne Cryer.
I don’t use the word brave lightly.
If people like Maggie Oliver have to have protection and Nazir Hafzel have had their and their families lives threatened you are a brave man and woman to take on this evil.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0026ncy

Maggie Oliver was on GB News last night and at the end she thanked Patrick Christys and GB News for tirelessly investigating the grooming gangs. She said without Charlie Peters work on this it would never have got this far and was very pleased that they kept this in the news when others failed to do so.

well done GB News 👏👏

Maremia

So, all of this has surfaced since Labour was in power?
Or did the Tory Government know about it, but didn't quite think it was important enough to do anything?
And will they be looking at grooming gangs of all ethnicities?

As I said,

not being believed then and again now and constant deflections of if, but and maybe.

Who is actually now speaking for the victims.

Somebody completely independent ought to Chair.
I’d like Judge Judy ….

So, all of this has surfaced since Labour was in power?
Or did the Tory Government know about it, but didn't quite think it was important enough to do anything?
And will they be looking at grooming gangs of all ethnicities?

GrannyGravy13

Susieq62 nobody is denying that there are other heinous people around, nor that the Conservatives did not act quick enough after the report they commissioned was published.

This thread is about the Asian (predominantly Pakistani) grooming gangs, both in the North of the country and now identified in the London area.

Anything to deflect, GrannyGravy, and not just on here.

It is disgraceful what these young women are having to go through, after all their ordeals at the hand of gangs, not being believed then and again now and constant deflections of if, but and maybe.

It's quite stomach churning to realise it is still happening.

GrannyGravy13

Susieq62

Plus Jess Phillips has worked tirelessly for women and domestic violence victims ! There is a lot of speculation here !

Did you see/hear her response on the H of P yesterday?

Three of the victims have said she is accusing them of lying and once again all their previous trauma of not being believed is revisited.

I did! She was extremely aggressive and almost spitting her words out. Nasty woman calling survivors liars.

Oreo

I will be interested to see if they come up with a truly impartial Chair sometime soon.How hard can it be?

Maggie Oliver would be ideal but she said on TV last night she would not do it because they would never ask her.

She said she has never been afraid to speak out and there are too many corrupt people in authority who don’t like that. It is a complete cover up.

‘he has been voted in three times so the he must be doing something right”.

Boris Johnson was voted in twice so he obviously was doing something right too eh? And Ken Livingstone before him was also voted in twice. The Conservatives were voted in for 14 years so it's obvious they must have been doing something right........ hmmm I wonder if whoever shouted you down about Khan stands by that argument with reference to other examples.

GrannyGravy13

SK is on record 10 times denying the existence of Asian Grooming Gangs in London.

I am not in the least bit surprised he has been found to be wrong 🤬🤬🤬

...and as with Jimmy Savile he'll claim he was unaware of any allegations against them despite heading up the CPS at the time