Little boy died at the hands if their family.

argymargy I did not *make it all up in my head” I am allowed to post my thoughts and opinions which are formed after reading articles - and from various sources not just one.

Oldfrill
If you know better then I am happy to be enlightened.
However I think your response was bizarrely aggressive and for no good reason that I can think of .
Good day.

Granmarderby10

Oldfrill yes I have read the court reports. The people sentenced are the people who killed him
but
Ok so lockdown was over in name but it is clear that in March 2021 when Sarah Everard was murdered that (as mentioned in her murderers trial) she may have been under the impression that she was being stopped by a policeman for breaching covid regulations.
Services and the population were still under the cosh of the effects of the pandemic.
Police were tied up with negligible crimes as I said in my first post, choosing to prioritise breaking up vigils being held for the murdered woman by groups of women in outdoor settings.
Still ludicrous. What was inaccurate about that statement?

Wales at the time if I recall correctly had a rather scrappy policy with isolation/semi lockdown for some areas but not others.
This must have affected the ability of services to respond after all it affected everything else for months afterwards all over the UK
Ethan’s Mother used Covid and Isolating as an excuse to prevent her son being seen by Social Workers.

These same Social services were clearly still enough “in the thrall” of the pandemic in summer 2021 that they left it, and left it and left it. Why?

Why did they not call in police for backup to enforce the order they already had?
Why did they keep giving them opportunities to continue to abuse.

This “is” what they did. The child was known to them. Fact.
There were chances to prevent the abuse well before he was murdered.

If it wasn’t the lack of response of one body namely the police then it must have been the other then -the social services.

Still I suppose lessons are being learned.
They’ll all be so very learned one day won’t they!

Please stop this nonsense, the answers to all your questions are in the reports you claim to have read.

Oldfrill yes I have read the court reports. The people sentenced are the people who killed him
but
Ok so lockdown was over in name but it is clear that in March 2021 when Sarah Everard was murdered that (as mentioned in her murderers trial) she may have been under the impression that she was being stopped by a policeman for breaching covid regulations.
Services and the population were still under the cosh of the effects of the pandemic.
Police were tied up with negligible crimes as I said in my first post, choosing to prioritise breaking up vigils being held for the murdered woman by groups of women in outdoor settings.
Still ludicrous. What was inaccurate about that statement?

Wales at the time if I recall correctly had a rather scrappy policy with isolation/semi lockdown for some areas but not others.
This must have affected the ability of services to respond after all it affected everything else for months afterwards all over the UK
Ethan’s Mother used Covid and Isolating as an excuse to prevent her son being seen by Social Workers.

These same Social services were clearly still enough “in the thrall” of the pandemic in summer 2021 that they left it, and left it and left it. Why?

Why did they not call in police for backup to enforce the order they already had?
Why did they keep giving them opportunities to continue to abuse.

This “is” what they did. The child was known to them. Fact.
There were chances to prevent the abuse well before he was murdered.

If it wasn’t the lack of response of one body namely the police then it must have been the other then -the social services.

Still I suppose lessons are being learned.
They’ll all be so very learned one day won’t they!

Granmarderby10

Tragically if it hadn’t been for the covid lockdown the child almost certainly would have been saved.
Social workers were supposed to visit every ten days but couldn’t get an answer.

I’ve no doubt that they could have escalated it further and got the police involved but police forces all over the country had their hands full monitoring people who were driving to places for no good reason or suspiciously walking their dog, and other heinous crimes!

That or manhandling women who were protesting in the aftermath of Sarah Everards’ murder.

Did you just make all that up in your head? Why?!

Granmarderby10

Tragically if it hadn’t been for the covid lockdown the child almost certainly would have been saved.
Social workers were supposed to visit every ten days but couldn’t get an answer.

I’ve no doubt that they could have escalated it further and got the police involved but police forces all over the country had their hands full monitoring people who were driving to places for no good reason or suspiciously walking their dog, and other heinous crimes!

That or manhandling women who were protesting in the aftermath of Sarah Everards’ murder.

Please read the trial reports, your timescale is completely inaccurate. Lockdown was well over when Ethan was being abused.

RIP Ethan

Tragically if it hadn’t been for the covid lockdown the child almost certainly would have been saved.
Social workers were supposed to visit every ten days but couldn’t get an answer.

I’ve no doubt that they could have escalated it further and got the police involved but police forces all over the country had their hands full monitoring people who were driving to places for no good reason or suspiciously walking their dog, and other heinous crimes!

That or manhandling women who were protesting in the aftermath of Sarah Everards’ murder.

To me - I just think "Why on earth do people like that have children in the first place - since they obviously don't really want them?" It's been a long time now since the 1970s - the Pill and legal abortion coming along.....and there's still adoption as another option if "after the event".

The toddlers Mum must have been totally brainwashed but she returned to her parents. Hence her sentence.
I wish them the very worst.
They had no conscience and were so sure that they were untouchable that they had cctv cameras front and back incriminating themselves!
Evil and arrogant

This case and cases like this are absolutely sickening
I would open up dungeons proper dungeons and give them just enough food to keep them alive for many many years, but they would never see the light of day again….
So few of these cases come to light I imagine there are many many more cases that are never discovered 😭

No we cannot give them what they deserve. They are cowards, how defenceless is a tiny child.

I have no sympathy for these vile sadistic people, and in my head I do think, "good the other prisoners will make their lives hell", but my head says no its not right.
RIP Ethan.

These monsters are not deserving of compassion, nor should they ever be freed to hurt other children, Allsorts.

Mum of bad boys, I am a terrible person because I support the right of every child to be safe. I hope everyone that does such a cruel crime knows no peace and they should never come out of prison and not have phones in there and should work for their keep. The other inmates have children of their own and no right minded person however bad they are would mix with those creatures. There's no deterrent with the short sentences they get. That innocent child could have lived 80 plus years done wonderful things but instead he was slowly tortured to death, so no I have no pity

Prisoners such as these will probably be segregated from other prisoners under rule 49.

mumofmadboys

To support prisoners taking the law into their own hands is terrible Allsorts.

The other prisoners can show their disapproval by shunning them.

Allsorts did not say she advocated violence, you assumed that.

That is a dreadful case, Allsorts, I can understand your feelings. However, it will not be allowed to happen.

A tiny premature baby was killed by his vile father in hospital on the neonatal ward - how on earth did that happen? Tiny Brendan Staddon suffered catastrophic injuries. His father has been sentenced to a minimum of 20 years in prison. The mother, who was present at the time, was acquitted!

Two tiny, defenceless children with such vile human beings for family.

Sadly, children are abused and killed by those who should care for them all the time. It is only the worst cases that hit the headlines.

mumofmadboys

To support prisoners taking the law into their own hands is terrible Allsorts.

I agree.

What they did was heinous, but that does not justify more violence.

To support prisoners taking the law into their own hands is terrible Allsorts.

OMG. how do these peoples minds work, they should never be freed

The child is Ethan Ives Griffiths.
Both grandparents got life sentences with a minimum of 23/17 years. It doesn't mean they'll be free in 23/17 years.
The mother was sentenced to 12 years.

Ethan Ives-Griffiths murder: Boy's grandparents jailed for life - BBC News share.google/ebGEhkMTWviKn1rdi