So what do GNs think of Starmer’s decision to recognise Palestine as a state?

Quote Smileless2012 Sun 10-Aug-25 08:12:03
Excellent post yesterday @ 23.23 StoneofDestiny.

they will have nothing to gain by murdering the innocents and yet this is what Israel is doing Annie.

No, Israel is protecting itself against terrorists who are hiding among and being supported by Palestinians who voted the terrorists to form their government

Stone of Destiny quoted,

phil51 unlike you, knows what she/he is talking about

Yes, living in Israel, clearly you do have direct experience of what we discuss on this thread,

However there are very many different points of view of Israeli Citizens. We are only hearing from one POV* with Phil

There are many Israeli citizens who profoundly disagree with Netanyahu's regime and indeed wish for a change.

This article in the Times of Israel from last month gives an alternative e picture to the all out Netanyahu support of Phil's constructed narrative

www.timesofisrael.com/breaking-with-pm-74-of-israelis-back-war-ending-deal-to-free-all-hostages-poll/

Just yesterday "Thousands in Tel Aviv protest against Netanyahu’s plan to escalate Gaza war

"Organisers say more than 100,000 people joined demonstration demanding end to military campaign"

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/09/thousands-in-tel-aviv-protest-against-netanyahus-plan-to-escalate-gaza-war

Can I also recommend a book.

“Being Jewish after the destruction of Gaza”

Peter Beinart.

No Annie. Israel is committing genocide and justifying its actions by claiming it's necessary for its protection.

Quote Smileless2012 Sun 10-Aug-25 08:36:02
No Annie. Israel is committing genocide and justifying its actions by claiming it's necessary for its protection.

No, that is your opinion, i don’t share it

Anniebach

Quote Whitewavemark2 Sun 10-Aug-25 05:37:22
You are assuming moral integrity to a group of thugs?

Of course they will kill the hostages.

A group of thugs is believed and trusted by the world and you Whitewave ? surely not

Annie, please point to any posts here that support Hamas. Can you identify tidy anyone, any country that believes and trusts Hamas

Iran

Yes we do know Iran is a risk to all but Id be surprised if it believes and trusts Hamas

Stoneofdestiny's excellent post yesterday talked of civilised people.
I agree wholeheartedly. No civilised people behave as Netanyahu and his government are.

Should clarify , it trusts noone

that is your opinion yes it is Annie, just as you expressed yours @ 8.18 which I don't share.

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Iam64 Sun 10-Aug-25 08:41:23
Anniebach
Quote Whitewavemark2 Sun 10-Aug-25 05:37:22
You are assuming moral integrity to a group of thugs?

Of course they will kill the hostages.

A group of thugs is believed and trusted by the world and you Whitewave ? surely not
Annie, please point to any posts here that support Hamas. Can you identify tidy anyone, any country that believes and trusts Hamas
Add comment | Report | Private message | Quote ronib Sun 10-Aug-25 08:43:30
Iran

The monies given to the Hamas government, was really useful
for the building of tunnels

annie your argument is continually circular, and doesn’t seem to progress any further.

wwm2 seriously?

I only have limited time to read and post, that's why there are often large gaps between my posts, sorry.

Replying to Wyllow3

I am assuming ignorance because so many comments are one sided or assumptions or inaccurate information.

The discussion about the bullets proves my point. Has anyone followed my link for the New York Times?

Unless I have missed them I have not seen any comments about it.

Here it is again:
www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-weapons-rockets.html

Even though you don't want me to post historical events or questions, as apparently these have been discussed since 2023 and you have got it all sorted, I would like to know if it's true that The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine in 1947 was accepted by Israel and rejected by the Arabs and has been rejected on numerous occasions over the years by them.

People seem keen to point out the historic and modern day reasons for the Arabs attitude and behaviour towards Israel, but when anybody points to the reason why Israel behaves as it does and points out the mis information it is not welcome. A bit one sided don't you think?

However it's not just historical events I post that seem to be unwelcome. My reply to the misinformation regarding Arab Israelis civilians didn't go down too well. The information was not "my truth" but the reality of living in Israel for non Jews. Information that is very easy to check if you didn't believe me. Did anyone check?

Do you think I am a fan of Netanyahu? If so, another assumption.

As I understand it phil51, it was rejected by the British Government and the following speed of withdrawal from the Mandate changed the course of events.

The reason the United Nations Partition plan 1947 was rejected was because Jews were alloted more land than the Arabs. It can surely be understood that unfairness wouldn't work. Phil51

AGAA4

The reason the United Nations Partition plan 1947 was rejected was because Jews were alloted more land than the Arabs. It can surely be understood that unfairness wouldn't work. Phil51

Yes, I think that was what Bevin could not accept.
Also Phil51, despite your comment about 2023, some of us are still interested in discussing the end of the Ottoman Empire, Sykes Picot, Balfour, the British Mandate for Palestine and other relevant events, but others don't seem to want to discuss history.

How about having a look at Hansard and read up on the words of Bevin? The problem of Palestine must be referred to the United Nations… the problem of Palestine is very vexed and complex. There’s no doubt that the Mandate contained contradictory promises. It promised the Jews a National Home and in the second place it declared that the rights and position of the Arabs must be protected ….

Mamie

AGAA4

The reason the United Nations Partition plan 1947 was rejected was because Jews were alloted more land than the Arabs. It can surely be understood that unfairness wouldn't work. Phil51

Yes, I think that was what Bevin could not accept.
Also Phil51, despite your comment about 2023, some of us are still interested in discussing the end of the Ottoman Empire, Sykes Picot, Balfour, the British Mandate for Palestine and other relevant events, but others don't seem to want to discuss history.

phil51 has discussed history.
I often think posters only read what they want to.

So let’s look at the situation at the time of partition.

Jews owned approx 7.4% of the land in Palestine. In fact other figures show less but I have taken the largest figure.

The Arabs number 5 to every 1 Jew.

The reason that the Arabs rejected the partition plan was because Israel was designated 54% of the local land mass to the Jews, most of which was owned by Arabs.

In 1949, Israeli authorities designated that land could be forcibly taken from the Arabs and given to Jews. Ever since there has been phased dispossession resulting in what we are witnessing today.

Just to add - that is why the British rejected the plan. Because of the gross unfairness.

Oreo

Mamie

AGAA4

The reason the United Nations Partition plan 1947 was rejected was because Jews were alloted more land than the Arabs. It can surely be understood that unfairness wouldn't work. Phil51

Yes, I think that was what Bevin could not accept.
Also Phil51, despite your comment about 2023, some of us are still interested in discussing the end of the Ottoman Empire, Sykes Picot, Balfour, the British Mandate for Palestine and other relevant events, but others don't seem to want to discuss history.

phil51 has discussed history.
I often think posters only read what they want to.

My comment does not refer to Phil, Oreo

I think it was more that the British didn’t know how to reconcile competing and irreconcilable demands. Not sure that gross unfairness was actually mentioned in Hansard . wwm2