Rachel reeves

Good grief, some on Gransnet have very short memories. All the spite and vitriol that Labour spouted at female Tory ministers over all the years in opposition has been forgotten.

The shouting, jibes and haranging every week at PMQs that Kemi Badenoch has to put up with from the Labour benches and backbenchers is outrageous but no-one on Gransnet comments that she's being bullied, poor thing. Double standards.

RR was upset before she went into the chamber, she should not have gone in.
Once in your in the firing line you have to take it on the chin, that's high level Politics, no one expected this reaction from her.

She has done the same to others in the past, and she will in the future.

Ummm, personal ?!!.that's what I thought at first, but now it would appear that a major upset with Starmer over the welfare bill that is now going to cost more than it already does was the most likely cause. No wonder Kemi gave her a hard time, the whole saga turned into monumental embarrassment. When you think of how Mrs.May was attacked again and again on all sides after brexit even using the nickname Maybot and worse on regular basis, especially on here which was pretty unpleasant but not unexpected! I don't remember her weeping in Parliament, or Mrs Thatcher come to that. I don't remember anyone feeling any sympathy for Mrs May either on here or elsewhere. Of course Kemi attacked her that's her job, if Rachel can't stand it then resign. A personal problem that's very upsetting then don't attend, a row with your boss, then that's tough. Politics is a rough old game and frankly if you choose that bear garden for your career, then inevitably you have to put up with a lot of unpleasantness. It goes with the territory.

Absolutely.

Whitewavemark2

Kicking someone when they are clearly in distress is not the same as political point scoring.

Badenoch is one of the worst performers in parliament in a long time.

Kicking someone when they are clearly in distress is not the same as political point scoring.

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It was cruel.

Visgir1

RR was upset before she went into the chamber, she should not have gone in.
Once in your in the firing line you have to take it on the chin, that's high level Politics, no one expected this reaction from her.

She has done the same to others in the past, and she will in the future.

She has done the same to others in the past, and she will in the future.
If she has, I hope she's learnt a lesson.

I am glad that RR returned to work today after behaving unwisely yesterday. Kemi Badenoch's behaviour was not kind, but it was not the cause of her distress.
Reeves is Chancellor, a premier position on the national and international stage, and her behaviour yesterday unsettled the market.
The speculation that she might be sacked provoked fears, mainly about who would follow her, a serious reflection on the state of the present government.
Whatever happened happened off-stage, and she should have pulled herself together and faced it out. She will be identified by this for the rest of her career.

Jaberwok Where did you find out why Reeves was upset?

I found it very hard to.even look at someone in such obvious distress. I can't understand KBs deliberately unpleasant comments. Kicking someone when they are down is never likely to win people's favour.

eazybee You also seem to know why Reeves was upset. Where did you find out?

Badenoch did not attack her for her policy. She mocked her for looking upset without knowing the cause. There's a difference.

so not much sympathy from me

Fancy that.

twinnytwin

Good grief, some on Gransnet have very short memories. All the spite and vitriol that Labour spouted at female Tory ministers over all the years in opposition has been forgotten.

The shouting, jibes and haranging every week at PMQs that Kemi Badenoch has to put up with from the Labour benches and backbenchers is outrageous but no-one on Gransnet comments that she's being bullied, poor thing. Double standards.

Errr no. People don't sneer at Badenoch. Even if they did, the answer is to be the adult and behave like one. There's something about Badenoch which seems to compel her to sneer and mock. She's even worse when she's not on TV.

Whatever Reeves was or wasn't crying about, it has to be no less than astonishing that the sight of her tears at PMQ's should cause the stock market to wobble uncertainly.

What kind of people are running the financial institutions of this country?

eazybee

I am glad that RR returned to work today after behaving unwisely yesterday. Kemi Badenoch's behaviour was not kind, but it was not the cause of her distress.
Reeves is Chancellor, a premier position on the national and international stage, and her behaviour yesterday unsettled the market.
The speculation that she might be sacked provoked fears, mainly about who would follow her, a serious reflection on the state of the present government.
Whatever happened happened off-stage, and she should have pulled herself together and faced it out. She will be identified by this for the rest of her career.

I agree.
It became obvious today that being cheered up behind the scenes no doubt and then publicly endorsed by Starmer RR was upset by politics yesterday as the bill was sabotaged by their own side. So happy and smiling today, at least for the cameras.
The tears in the chamber were not obvious from the Conservative side as she wasn’t actually crying just looking miserable which Badenoch picked up on.True it wasn’t kind but that’s politics.

windmill1

Whatever Reeves was or wasn't crying about, it has to be no less than astonishing that the sight of her tears at PMQ's should cause the stock market to wobble uncertainly.

What kind of people are running the financial institutions of this country?

She’s the Chancellor of the Exchequer! Of course it would immediately have an effect.

I can think of a few personal situations that would distress a person to the brink of tears. A lot of them uniquely affecting women. Maybe others are made of sterner stuff.
Well done Rachel for carrying on with her job, despite the jibes from Kemi.
I don’t see it as a party issue, today I’ve heard personal support for Rachel from MPs of all parties.

Oreo

eazybee

I am glad that RR returned to work today after behaving unwisely yesterday. Kemi Badenoch's behaviour was not kind, but it was not the cause of her distress.
Reeves is Chancellor, a premier position on the national and international stage, and her behaviour yesterday unsettled the market.
The speculation that she might be sacked provoked fears, mainly about who would follow her, a serious reflection on the state of the present government.
Whatever happened happened off-stage, and she should have pulled herself together and faced it out. She will be identified by this for the rest of her career.

I agree.
It became obvious today that being cheered up behind the scenes no doubt and then publicly endorsed by Starmer RR was upset by politics yesterday as the bill was sabotaged by their own side. So happy and smiling today, at least for the cameras.
The tears in the chamber were not obvious from the Conservative side as she wasn’t actually crying just looking miserable which Badenoch picked up on.True it wasn’t kind but that’s politics.

I think there used to be a mutual respect between MP’s from all parties which seems to be lacking now. Can’t help but feel televising parliament hasn’t helped; playing to the crowd and all that. Tony Benn once told me that he and Margaret Thatcher had a mutual respect first each other. I don’t like the Speaker. I often find him unfair; ignores bad behaviour but sometimes picks on people unfairly.

And amazingly from the market.

I believe that the labour party advisers were at fault for allowing Rachel Reeves to be there.

RR has sat through a lot of PMQ’s and laughed at jibes both thrown and received so is well used to it.
I don’t believe pmt or menopause was the cause of this at all, and imagine if a man suggested that? You’re not are you?
No, it would have been the culmination of a year of her bad policies coming home to roost and no ringing endorsement by the boss, until today.

kittylester

I believe that the labour party advisers were at fault for allowing Rachel Reeves to be there.

Why? They didn’t know anything.Keir Starmer didn’t know anything, Angela Rayner didn’t know anything.

I have just heard, on the news, Rachel Reeves say that it was a personal matter and she wasn't going into it. I hope she won't now be hounded by the press and social media to say what it was.

I am not a fan of Angela Rayner, I would have had more respect for her if she had acknowledged RR’s distress. The same goes for the PM, I do not buy into the excuses that they didn’t notice/know

All it would have taken was a hand on her arm, like the hand on RR’s shoulder from the MP immediately behind her.

It has been reported that she had 'some words' with the Speaker just before PMQ, so perhaps it stems from that.
She seemed in good form today