Trump has attacked Iran

The war on Iraq changed everything- illegal pre-emptive strike and war, with the threat and lies about weapons of mass destruction, that Blair believed, and agreed to send troops. And then Afghanistan, and now Iran.

This man says it perfectly, sheer sheer and humongoulsly dangerous for the whole world. All our grand-children, who often live a long way away from us. This s just weakedly sick.

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lafergar

I have some very nice Iranian friends.

So have we, their families fled when the Shah was deposed.

So takeaway from TRIP.

Trump has no strategy. That he operates on the need to be constantly in the public eye. So given that and the need to invent ever more incidents where he is the top of the news, then there is an obvious but terrifying ending.

Greenland is not safe.

The European leaders are being total wimps.

Iran does have options E,g, cyber warfare the Homus (sp?) Straights.

The UN is probably finished. The rule of law is completely trashed.

Entering a period that takes the world way back in history where might is right, and small/medium countries just have to hope for the best.

Iran is a danger to the UK. It is already active here threatening the lives of journalists. We weren't involved in the attacks but Iranians here could retaliate as we are an ally of the US.
I think Starmer was asking for Iran to negotiate. Starmer was told of the attack by Trump before it happened.

JenniferEccles those bombs can reach depths of 60 meters but the sites are 90 meters deep so they can't have successfully obliterated them.

A very dangerous game is being played here. The Islamic Revolution happened in Iran due to American interference holding up the corrupt government.
Even though most right-thinking Iranians hate the present regime this is not the solution and seems to be Iraq and the WND debacle all over again.
Also Afghanistan is now worse off than it was before the invasion.
What is the end game here? I don't think Trump has one.
Will it put an end to Putin's plans? Maybe.
Will it bring regime change in Iran? Maybe.
Will it make Israel more secure? Probably not.
Will it make the ME even more unstable? Yes
Will it make us more open to terrorist attacks? Almost certainly.
Risky undertakings rarely bring stability- this is not a good time to be on planet Earth...
The US has to be isolated and new alliances formed- I am very disappointed in Starmer and I very much hope that I'm wrong.

Should have been WMD but maybe it was a Freudian slip!

No proof yet, if there ever can be, that the facilities are totally obliterated. No proof, now or ever, that they were preparing bombs.
Iran claims to have moved the materials in anticipation. Have no idea if this is logistically possible in the space of what was it, 9 days.
Hope we don't find out too soon what was in those multiple Chinese flights into Iran.
Russia owes Iran for those Ukraine bombing drones.
No idea if North Korea will want to 'participate'.

Apparently there has been no detection of a rise in radiation. Whether that means that Trump was unsuccessful I don’t know.

Why would we believe anything that Trump and Netanyahu say?

They are both liars; the world has evidence of their past lies. Neither of them will have suddenly developed a moral compass. They are not to be trusted!

The UK absolutely should not become embroiled in this potential sh** show.

The Iranian Ambassador on Laura Kuenssberg this morning did not deny that they have been enriching uranium up to 60%. He then blustered on saying that there were other uses for this not just atomic weapons…

I agree Lizzie.

Indeed LizzieDrip.

AGain, and for the third time- International Laws on war have been trashed with pre-emptive strikes. The first time was Irak- with all the lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction that were never found. It has ignited the whole of the Middle East, and made all our futures much more uncertain. And of course, Netanyahu is right behind this.

If the 'West' (incl Israel) can wage preemptive war illegally and with impunity - why would our 'enemies' not come to the conclusion that what is good for the West, cannot apply to them.

Dangerous in the extreme.

Will Israel be safer after this? I doubt it as even though Iran are not in a good place now they will not forget this and at some time in the future Israel will be made to pay.

GrannyGravy13

The Iranian Ambassador on Laura Kuenssberg this morning did not deny that they have been enriching uranium up to 60%. He then blustered on saying that there were other uses for this not just atomic weapons…

Well of course there are.

Enrichment has to get to over 90% for it to be developed into nuclear warfare.

Iran was not imminently ready to produce a bomb, even Trumps security advised him as such. So pre-emptive strikes on Iran is, just like Iraq - illegal. They are trashing the rule of warfare law and the world is as a result in huge peril.

But Trump has to grandstand, and we are all the more at risk because of it.

Claremont

If the 'West' (incl Israel) can wage preemptive war illegally and with impunity - why would our 'enemies' not come to the conclusion that what is good for the West, cannot apply to them.

Dangerous in the extreme.

The West cannot allow Iran, which is an unstable rogue nation to have nuclear capabilities.

LizzieDrip

Why would we believe anything that Trump and Netanyahu say?

They are both liars; the world has evidence of their past lies. Neither of them will have suddenly developed a moral compass. They are not to be trusted!

The UK absolutely should not become embroiled in this potential sh** show.

Hilary Clinton: supplied Iran with uranium.

Barak Obama gave Iran 1.7 billion

Joe Biden unfrozen 16 billion to use on nuclear program.

It seems hard to tell who has clean hands in this.

Negotiations would have been a far better option, but there must have been more going on than is in the public domain.

Just to clarify I am not in favour of war for wars sake, I am totally in favour of defence.

A governments primary responsibility is to protect its people, Iran have committed crimes on U.K. soil, and our secret services have to always be ahead of the Iranians.

The secret services have to be prepared and on the ball 24/7, the Iranians only need to get one terror incident to fruition to cause chaos, death and mayhem.

The most worrying thing is what happens if Trump has been unsuccessful. I hadn't clocked that signs of radiation would be proof one way or the other. Anyway Iran is bound to deny it. All Trump wants is to win and get the credit.

I took some comfort from the fact that the UK seems not to have been involved.

GrannyGravy13

Claremont

If the 'West' (incl Israel) can wage preemptive war illegally and with impunity - why would our 'enemies' not come to the conclusion that what is good for the West, cannot apply to them.

Dangerous in the extreme.

The West cannot allow Iran, which is an unstable rogue nation to have nuclear capabilities.

But you are not looking at the wider implications of the illegality.

We are now at the stage of might is right.

So who are the mighty?

China, Russia and USA.

The UN is rendered immaterial, there is nothing now stopping any of them. China and Taiwan and further.

Russia and Ukraine and further

USA - Greenland, Canada and further.

It is this that we have to look at.

But it can and does let ,in fact encourage the rogue state that is Israel to have them! This whole debacle is on Israel ,on Netanyahu and his need to obliterate the Palestinians ..he and previous Israeli governments have been aiming for this for decades ,they have said driving all Palestinians out by any means is their final solution.
Well he,s nearly there .! Now the whole region will have more reasons to hate Israel and who can blame them .The man and his cohorts are vile excuses for humans …they certainly learned from the Holocaust but they learned the wrong things causing wars and killing innocents is NOT the way to go .
I can’t believe the support they get on these threads which is one of the reasons I haven,t posted for months and I now won’t post again.The opinions of some on here are beyond belief !!

Not antisemitic ,not anti Jews I know their government won’t listen to the people who oppose them I am and always will be on the side of the people who have no voice in the machinations of government that destroy life for nothing short of greed .

Unnecessary hyperbole will not help the situation.

We have to hope that our PM and our government do the correct thing for the U.K. with the information they have.

The European leaders are being total wimps.

What should, or ought they, to be doing?