Want to understand what Trump is doing?

There's a suggestion that he's using the drugs and migrants argument to legalise what amounts to emergency use of executive powers. It's not really clear what his end game is tbh I think he's just testing his power and possibly throwing up a smokescreen. He's challenging the law in so many areas all at once it's difficult to track. This is chaos politics, Putin must be loving it.

Oh! I have also got the wrong end of the stick - according to the BBC news.

Trump is demanding that Canada, Mexico and China (what!!??) stop illegal drugs and migrants entering USA. I thought he was busy building walls for that?

So the idea is that they do the donkey work for him and he gets the praise.

PoliticsNerd

GrannyGravy13

Allira I have stopped taking N & P threads seriously, there appears to be an outbreak of mass hysteria across the majority of them.

Just a comparison GrannyGravy but I do understand some don't like cold, hard truths when its out of step with what they have chosen to support.

You seem to be feeling uncomfortable with what you are hearing about your chosen one. Many individuals experience discomfort, known as cognitive dissonance, when confronted with conflicting information.

To alleviate this discomfort, they may either reject the new information, rationalise it away, or modify their beliefs to align with the truth. It seems your way, currently, is to try and shut others down. " Whether or not we agree with his policies or not is irrelevant".

Arguing that agreement or disagreement with policies is irrelevant overlooks the critical roles that policies play in governance and individual lives, and it diminishes the importance of active engagement in the political process. We are certainly at liberty to assess the moral and ethical considerations of what Trump is doing, and much more.

Oh dear PoliticsNerd you appear to not only have got hold of the wrong end of the proverbial stick, but the wrong stick altogether.

imaround

He wants them to stop drugs and migrants, and there is something about a trade deficit.

How ridiculous. Totally unrealistic.

If I was Canada I would tell him that once he has found the universal panacea to stop both drugs and migrants entering USA , then I might give his demands consideration, but until then….

Do one!

Regards to the deficit.

Has Trump never heard of the term “capitalism”?

What a foolish man he his,

He wants them to stop drugs and migrants, and there is something about a trade deficit.

I must go to sleep!

What is the so called deal Trump is trying to get from Canada?

There is no other option for him to back down. He can not let this go through. If it does, civil war starts ASAP.

I think this is him throwing power around to feed his ego and distract us from Musk.

Maybe one of these days, the Democrats will try something more than a strongly worded letter against what Musk is doing.

So what is Trump after regarding to Canada?

globalnews.ca/news/10992959/donald-trump-tariffs-canada-feb-1/
I think he is going to back down on this. They will announce a deal and he will proclaim his tariffs were effective and we will move on.

This is a good distraction to Elon raiding $6T though. No one seems to know what he is doing with his access to the Treasury.

And yes, Somalia was kind of left field. I keep fairly informed and this wasn't even a blip in my radar.

Oh! And has Somalia come out of the blue? Or have I missed something?

Canada responds with 25% tariffs.

Is Trump heading towards a Truss situation? It feels a bit like it.

I hope the world stands solid and strong against such a bully.

Vehicle manufacturer representatives have announced they will shut down assembly lines on both sides of the border due to tariffs. All those people will be without jobs.

I am starting to see some response from Canada and Mexico. Early reports are saying they are both targeting products from republican states for tariffs.

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-premier-david-eby-us-tariffs-1.7448307

Sadly, US media is slow to pick this up. Most of my info right now is coming from Canada.

Yes Wyllow, even Trump voters are surprised at what he is doing. Even though he told them exactly what he was going to do, they didn't think he was serious apparently.

So, the DOW Jones was already down 300 points on Friday. I am seeing reports that hedge funds are betting on a crash in Monday. If this comes to fruition, it will wipe out 401ks for millions of Americans.

What we are looking at economy wise:

Trump froze federal funds it resulted in organizations not being able to meet payroll needs and is causing organizations that help the needy to go without. Add to this the fact that they are trying to dump millions of federal workers onto unemployment right now.

Bird flu is causing shortages in eggs and is starting to affect chicken and beef supplies. Migrants are not showing up to pick fruits and vegetables, so they are in short supply as well.

And now we have an immediate 25% increase on goods from Canada and Mexico. We do not know what the retaliation from Canada and Mexico looks like.

That is just the immediate response. As it drags on, the housing shortage will deepen because it will cost to much to get supplies (timber) from Canada.

Canada has threatened to shut off gas supplies to the US, which will leave millions in the north and east without heat.

Experts are saying it will devistate car sales in the US. So those people will be out if jobs too.

I can't even begin to imagine the fallout.

Let's hope he caves before Monday.

A lot in the US aren't happy at all, its in the BBC news stream.
Farmers, the construction sector, the clothing and footwear industry, steel workers and the alcoholic drink sector have all publicly objected to these tariffs.

We'll know Canada's response in the morning.

imaround

Canada is reporting that Trump has authorized 10% tariff on energy and a 25% tariff on everything else, set to go into effect on Tuesday.

Trudeau is expected to speak at 6 pm. It is being reported that Trump has already said if Canada retaliated, he will increase the tariffs.

So we get to look forward to a trade war starting on Tuesday.

No word on Mexico or the EU tariffs yet.

Those tariffs will, surely, be passed on to the consumer ultimately?

How much does the average consumer rely on, for example, cereals?

... and agri-business needs fertilisers and organic chemicals? If they have to pay more - will they not pass on at least part of the increase to the end user?

And then there's inflation...

I agree with Allira this You seem to be feeling uncomfortable with what you are hearing about your chosen one. Many individuals experience discomfort, known as cognitive dissonance, when confronted with conflicting information. is exactly the sort of paragraph I have seen reported by others who use AI, it's straight out of the AI playbook. I haven't had the impression GrannyGravy is a dedicated Trump supporter so it seems more than a little odd.
In political discussions a step back and trying to be more detached from personal bias (which we all have) is probably a sensible move.

Just to say, HPQ that PoliticsNerd has got hold of the wrong end of the proverbial stick and is using it to beat posters. Clear it might be in your view but it was just plain wrong.

Spreading fake information is Trump's speciality, is it not?

HousePlantQueen

Politicsnerd's post was quite clear, quite polite. This is a politics thread, we are discussing, some with first hand knowledge, just what us unfolding in the USA right now. If you are unhappy with the way the conversation is going you are free, as we all are, to leave the thread.

^This is a politics thread, we are discussing, some with first hand knowledge, just what us unfolding in the USA right now.

Yes, and I have expressed my appreciation of those posts. Perhaps you missed them.

So, if it was that clear, can you explain exactly what PoliticsNerd means by your chosen one please?
Or why we should feel uncomfortable?

It is not clear at all. Or perhaps makes untrue insinuations.

I, like others on this thread, dislike pile-ons and do not see why we should not express that opinion. However, that is not a reason to leave the thread. Why should it be?

Politicsnerd's post was quite clear, quite polite. This is a politics thread, we are discussing, some with first hand knowledge, just what us unfolding in the USA right now. If you are unhappy with the way the conversation is going you are free, as we all are, to leave the thread.

PoliticsNerd

Is that you attempting to undermine another members posts "Allira"? It certainly sounds as if you have run out of arguments and are following the practice Trump et al so often use, that of resorting to personal attacks.

No, not at all

But addressing this to GrannyGravy and to me is just quite ludicrous.

You seem to be feeling uncomfortable with what you are hearing about your chosen one. Many individuals experience discomfort, known as cognitive dissonance, when confronted with conflicting information.

Who is our chosen one?
In exactly what way are Grannygravy13 and I displaying cognitive dissonance
Or discomfort
they may either reject the new information, rationalise it away, or modify their beliefs to align with the truth.
🤔 perhaps you need to explain exactly what you mean by that?
" Whether or not we agree with his policies or not is irrelevant". who said that?

I am not undermining anyone but I do dislike personal attacks even I do not agree with the views of those being attacked.
Are you trying to deflect from the criticism of some of the personal attacks on this thread?

Otherwise, your post doesn't seem to make much sense, not to me at least.
Perhaps you should RTWT before trying to claim that Trump is our chosen one because that is absolute rubbish.

Is that you attempting to undermine another members posts "Allira"? It certainly sounds as if you have run out of arguments and are following the practice Trump et al so often use, that of resorting to personal attacks.

??? 😁

Is that AI generated? It certainly sounds like it.

That is an example of why I cannot take some of what I see on N&P threads on here seriously. Some sound like a bot.

You obviously have not read any of *GrannyGravy's other posts, PoliticsNerd.

GrannyGravy13

Allira I have stopped taking N & P threads seriously, there appears to be an outbreak of mass hysteria across the majority of them.

Just a comparison GrannyGravy but I do understand some don't like cold, hard truths when its out of step with what they have chosen to support.

You seem to be feeling uncomfortable with what you are hearing about your chosen one. Many individuals experience discomfort, known as cognitive dissonance, when confronted with conflicting information.

To alleviate this discomfort, they may either reject the new information, rationalise it away, or modify their beliefs to align with the truth. It seems your way, currently, is to try and shut others down. " Whether or not we agree with his policies or not is irrelevant".

Arguing that agreement or disagreement with policies is irrelevant overlooks the critical roles that policies play in governance and individual lives, and it diminishes the importance of active engagement in the political process. We are certainly at liberty to assess the moral and ethical considerations of what Trump is doing, and much more.