Southport Murders, latest

Iam64

If the people involved with him have concluded Broadmoor is where he should be at this time, surely we accept they’re working professionally. AR has been drawing attention to his personality and mental health issues from a very young age. We have not seen psychiatric or prison reports on his behaviour but we all know he poses a risk to others.

Not supporting the death penalty and not expressing the desire for him to be suffering cruel and unusual punishment does not mean posters are putting his needs before those of his victims.

Not supporting the death penalty and not expressing the desire for him to be suffering cruel and unusual punishment does not mean posters are putting his needs before those of his victims.

I hope people don't really believe we are...

Being against the death penalty in principle does not mean that there's not occasions when, on hearing the details of horrific crimes like that committed by AR, we don't feel a gut-reaction of wishing there'd been instant, summary justice, But gut-reactions do not make good law.

And for those who wish him to be subjected to what is regarded as cruel and inhumane incarceration - or for him to be 'dealt with' by other inmates, two things: if you treat him like a caged animal, he will be a constant danger to any staff who have to come in contact with him. Hoping other violent offenders subject him to beatings is, apart from anything else, encouraging the very acts of violence that landed them in such prisons in the first instance.

The State judiciary system cannot function via a vigilante-mindset, otherwise that's what we'll end up with - vigilantism. Then no-one is safe.

I think maybe there's a misconception that those who oppose the death penalty feel all 'warm and fuzzy' about the rights of murderers when the reality is that upholding a principle can sometimes mean going against your human and natural re-active instincts.

There were terrible terrible mistakes made in terms of his management prior to the offense.

So he was diagnosed. A diagnosable mh problem together with personality problems or disorders is a dangerous combination

mumofmadboys

I agree Wyllow3.
Peter Sutcliffe suffered from paranoid schizophrenia.

So he said

It is natural when something as horrifying as this happens to want revenge.
But I don't want to live in a society based on revenge. Not only would it produce a fear ridden and cruel society generally, but the most terrible mistakes can be made.

Medication can't be forced on prisoners in an ordinary prison. It can be given without consent in psychiatric hospital.
We really should't be putting prison warders, or indeed other prisoners in danger, this murderer belongs in Broadmoor where he can be forcefully sedated.

Iam64 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

If the people involved with him have concluded Broadmoor is where he should be at this time, surely we accept they’re working professionally. AR has been drawing attention to his personality and mental health issues from a very young age. We have not seen psychiatric or prison reports on his behaviour but we all know he poses a risk to others.

Not supporting the death penalty and not expressing the desire for him to be suffering cruel and unusual punishment does not mean posters are putting his needs before those of his victims.

22:12*Primrose*53

I agree Primrose I'd like him to suffer every single day of his life. I expect most people who have heard about this case feel the same. It's going to cost about £270,000 to keep this monster in Broadmore.

There is a solicitor on BBC Breakfast News at the moment.

He has just said that it has come to light that this monster had literature explaining the defence of mental health issues.

He is playing the system.

He is really is an appalling excuse of a human being 😡

Wyllow3

Frankly I wouldn't take the word of one mental health nurse speaking on a radio programme pf proof that all the psychiatrists at Broadmoor who are top criminal psychiatrists can all be "fooled".

I’m not. That was just one example.

I agree Wyllow3.
Peter Sutcliffe suffered from paranoid schizophrenia.

Frankly I wouldn't take the word of one mental health nurse speaking on a radio programme pf proof that all the psychiatrists at Broadmoor who are top criminal psychiatrists can all be "fooled".

Primrose53

I have no sympathy for him and hope the rest of his life is truly awful every single day.

I reserve my sympathy for those poor little girls, their families and friends.

I have read reports that he has been studying the difference between prisons and mental hospitals in this country and thinks mental hospital is the most comfortable option for him.

Just like Peter Sutcliffe!

JenniRen

It's astonishing that he had access to a kettle for boiling water in his cell in Belmarsh Prison which is one of the most secure Category A prisons in the country and has continued with his violence in there.

Perhaps Broadmoor is the best place for him but the prison part is only Category B.

Years ago we were house hunting in a village near there and were warned about the air-raid type sirens that would go off if a patient or prisoner escaped. The schools etc would go into lockdown and it was a warning to get indoors and lock up.

He is so manipulative and dangerous that I wonder where is the best place for him?

Hell! I would say

www.thesun.co.uk/news/39866289/southport-axel-rudakubana-hospital-mockery-justice/

Also an interesting read in The Spectator.

There have been cases where inmates at Broadmoor have fooled psychiatrists. A caller to LBC is a former trained mental health nurse of many years and he says it is not unusual for psychiatrists to be fooled by inmates who read up on how to say what they want to hear.

Just on the BBC News at 10pm now - he can be returned to prison after assessment and time at Broadmoor. People there are much more qualified to decide if he is mimicking a condition or really has one.

I have no sympathy for him and hope the rest of his life is truly awful every single day.

I reserve my sympathy for those poor little girls, their families and friends.

I have read reports that he has been studying the difference between prisons and mental hospitals in this country and thinks mental hospital is the most comfortable option for him.

The difference between then and now is that he has been under observation and therefore his behaviour has been re-assessed.

Primrose53

I thought Broadmoor was for the criminally insane. He is just evil and, I believe, has played the system.

I mentioned Robert Maudsley who was in prison for over 40 years in an underground cell with a toughened glass so he could be observed at all times. He was allowed just an hour out of it in 24 hours. 4 - 6 guards accompanied him when he left it. They “managed” him for all those years so pretty sure they could manage this other disgusting person.

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He clearly has some kind of psychosis after reassessment by psychiatrists, who will have made the decision.

Are you psychiatrically trained Primrose?

I thought Broadmoor was for the criminally insane. He is just evil and, I believe, has played the system.

I mentioned Robert Maudsley who was in prison for over 40 years in an underground cell with a toughened glass so he could be observed at all times. He was allowed just an hour out of it in 24 hours. 4 - 6 guards accompanied him when he left it. They “managed” him for all those years so pretty sure they could manage this other disgusting person.

Perhaps the reason he was allowed to do a video appearance was that he was likely to be violent in court?

Only if they are 100% guilty.
Also they didn’t have DNA back in the day.