Trump

I genuinely cannot fathom how anyone could bring themselves to vote for him.

MissInterpreted

Has everyone forgotten the time he openly mocked a disabled reporter? How anyone could vote him after that was beyond me, never mind anything else.
And we're entitled to comment on the result, considering that it will have repercussions for the whole world, not just the USA.

I remember. Just as I remember his he incited his supporters to descend on Capitol Hill after the last election when 6 people were killed. I also remember how many times he was indicted for various crimes but managed to swerve jail time. And that is without the many racist and sexist remarks he has made, including the time he said immigrants were eating people’s pets!!
And of course he made Islamophobic remarks about Sadiq Khan.
But Starmer and Lanmy need to apologise??
Hah!! There is the irony!!

fancythat

Franski

As a Brit it is patronising to insult the American electorate. I hate it when other nations mock and deride the UK government. Who do we think we are? I think the US poor and marginalised are fed up of being told what they need hence so many black and latino citizens switched to the GOP and Trump. I can't abide the man from what I see and hear of him- but obviously millions of Americans believe he will deliver. It's a democracy folks! Respect the voters.

I also find that some go merely by the media.
So miss some points.

I myself for instance, did not know that their standard of living had fallen.
Two or three posters who actually have relatives living in the US, have posted that, either on this thread or another.

And. There was a US commentator last night on it may have been GB News? Cant remember. CNN?
Said that Trump had made a comeback, and she wouldnt be suprised if Boris did too, in the same way!
Obviously I could be proved wrong, but I so really doubt that that will happen.
Sometimes, or often, living in a Country is quite different from just hearing about it.

Yes. The Media is unbelievably manipulative. People read the papers and watch the News to suit their own agenda.
I have decided to cut down my news intake. Better for your mental health.

But Anthony Scaramucci who lives and works in America pretty much feels the same way as I do about Trump. And he knows him quite well having worked with him. Until his wife told him she would divorce him because of it. Trump was incredibly rude to her I believe.

Has everyone forgotten the time he openly mocked a disabled reporter? How anyone could vote him after that was beyond me, never mind anything else.
And we're entitled to comment on the result, considering that it will have repercussions for the whole world, not just the USA.

Franski

As a Brit it is patronising to insult the American electorate. I hate it when other nations mock and deride the UK government. Who do we think we are? I think the US poor and marginalised are fed up of being told what they need hence so many black and latino citizens switched to the GOP and Trump. I can't abide the man from what I see and hear of him- but obviously millions of Americans believe he will deliver. It's a democracy folks! Respect the voters.

I also find that some go merely by the media.
So miss some points.

I myself for instance, did not know that their standard of living had fallen.
Two or three posters who actually have relatives living in the US, have posted that, either on this thread or another.

And. There was a US commentator last night on it may have been GB News? Cant remember. CNN?
Said that Trump had made a comeback, and she wouldnt be suprised if Boris did too, in the same way!
Obviously I could be proved wrong, but I so really doubt that that will happen.
Sometimes, or often, living in a Country is quite different from just hearing about it.

MayBee70

oodles

fancythat

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cev90d7wkk0o

What Trump says he will do.

Trump has vowed to sack "within two seconds" of taking office the veteran prosecutor leading two criminal investigations against him.

Special Counsel Jack Smith has indicted Trump over alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election, and ....
Etc
How is it upholding justice to do this, justice is such an important part of a civilised.socoety
The news took.me.by surprise as my American friends have kept me up to date on what he was doing.

He had to win to stop himself going to prison. I still can’t believe that American law has allowed him to do so.

They seem to have a weird and somewhat outdated justice system over there, from what I can make out.

Their Supreme Court or whatever it is called, seems to be controlled by Politics - that is not proper justice. Which ever side has the most people out of 9, wins, so to speak.
They seem equally bad on this point. Whichever side gets the most power.

And they still have the Death Penalty.

How about the disabled?
“Former President and current Republican nominee Donald Trump has been accused of once saying that it may be better for people living with serious disabilities to “just die.” The startling revelation was laid out in a new book authored by Trump’s nephew Fred Trump III the son of the former President’s older brother Fred Trump Jr who passed away in 1981.

In the tell-all memoir entitled All in the Family: The Trumps and How We Got this Way which was released on Tuesday Fred Trump recounts a meeting with his uncle and other family members during his presidency in which they discussed disabled people’s healthcare partly based on Fred Trump’s own experiences with his severely disabled son William. William has cerebral palsy and requires round-the-clock care costing hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Though Fred noted that his uncle appeared “engaged” during the meeting he went on to say that the then President remarked to him after it had finished that “maybe those kinds of people should just die” bearing in mind “the shape they're in' and 'all the expenses.”

As a Brit it is patronising to insult the American electorate. I hate it when other nations mock and deride the UK government. Who do we think we are? I think the US poor and marginalised are fed up of being told what they need hence so many black and latino citizens switched to the GOP and Trump. I can't abide the man from what I see and hear of him- but obviously millions of Americans believe he will deliver. It's a democracy folks! Respect the voters.

oodles

fancythat

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cev90d7wkk0o

What Trump says he will do.

Trump has vowed to sack "within two seconds" of taking office the veteran prosecutor leading two criminal investigations against him.

Special Counsel Jack Smith has indicted Trump over alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election, and ....
Etc
How is it upholding justice to do this, justice is such an important part of a civilised.socoety
The news took.me.by surprise as my American friends have kept me up to date on what he was doing.

He had to win to stop himself going to prison. I still can’t believe that American law has allowed him to do so.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well I’m delighted. 🤩
Congratulations Mr. Trump. You’ve shocked the naysayers.
There will be howls now (think Brexit here). Some people only like democracy when their side wins.

Well said!

fancythat

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cev90d7wkk0o

What Trump says he will do.

Trump has vowed to sack "within two seconds" of taking office the veteran prosecutor leading two criminal investigations against him.

Special Counsel Jack Smith has indicted Trump over alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election, and ....
Etc
How is it upholding justice to do this, justice is such an important part of a civilised.socoety
The news took.me.by surprise as my American friends have kept me up to date on what he was doing.

USA unlikely to accept female President. Needed a strong male candidate against Trump. Too many macho men who feel threatened by intelligent women. Dreading next four years and what USA will do to Europe and our security.

The huge concerns over womens health rights in the USA has very little to do with "wokeism" and everything to do with control over our own bodies and our healthcare.

You are, imo, making too much of what is happening to a very small group of people.

schnoodlelove

I think the apparent 'swing to the popular Right' is masking what is really happening: it is a safe oblique rejection of gender ideology, with its threat to women, their language and the laws protecting them.
It's why Musk moved from being a democrat to Trump.. because his 16 year old son (now a 20 year old transwoman) was given puberty blockers and hormones against Elon's will but he gave permission under pressure by threats of suicide. He vowed to stop it.
People are sick of it but don't want to be labelled transphobic so tight is the grip of the 'progressive' left. It's affecting sport, childbirth, the law, language itself all orchestrated by a band of elite TransRightsActivist's. That's why Growstuff. The engine of politics is being driven by this area of elite woke-ism and no longer by class. Trump could see this. He is fearless and he saw a massive gap where the lower classes were not being represented at all. So he stepped in. Didn't patronise them, drove a garbage truck when they were called garbage...

(I'd just like people to consider reading the point of view of the young person concerned, all is not quite what it seems in your post. Musk has had 12 children by 3 women and is far from the ideal father he likes to paint himself. )

www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665

Nan0

2tierfreegear farmer harmer starmer and Rachel Thieves with more free gear..

Oh the hilarity.

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

Hitler was elected democratically of course.

Many chose to 'denigrate' him and fight everything he stood for.

You have misunderstood my post.

Many on here are denigrating the electorate of the USA for their vote, which I think is rather childish, similar to the angst shown towards those who voted for Brexit and the Conservatives here in the U.K.

Sorry the Hitler trope is trotted out so often on these N & P threads that it has become meaningless.

I disagree. Hitler is a lesson from history that needs to be remembered and not be allowed to be repeated. That is why any parallels with his rise to power and subsequent deeds need to be watched out for and called out.

Not when he's surrounded himself with sycophants

2tierfreegear farmer harmer starmer and Rachel Thieves with more free gear..

I live (and vote) in the USA. I’m getting strong 1930s Germany vibes. The German people loved Hitler - he gave them a common enemy and promised to make Germany great again. It didn’t end well. The only bright spark I can see is the unlikelihood of Americans wanting Lebensraum.

How has he,shown he hates Jews or 'Blacks'?

Does Trump have brownshirt stormtroopers and lock up and torture people and confiscate their homes and property? I thought that was more Putin, or Xi or Kim il Jong line

Yes, agree...people are sick of being told they are thick stupid for wanting to protect their country borders., for wanting to protect and keep their food production ,industry, water and power supply in their own country and not beholden to the whims of another country at the mercy of eg Putin or China

Please explain why you are delighted a Power and money hungry criminal sexual abuser, a narcissist with Dictator tendencies, who went bankrupt SIX times is now in charge?
This
Handmaids Tale

suelld

love0c

FriedGreen I could not agree more! Well done Mr Trump! Well done the American people!

Please explain why you are delighted a Power and money hungry criminal sexual abuser, a narcissist with Dictator tendencies, who went bankrupt SIX times is now in charge?

You will not receive any explanation, ever.