Trump

The Hitler meme yet again.🙄

Calling those comments 'meme' is just appalling.
All the signs are there, just as they were then.

Trumps own VP Vance called him hitler a few years ago.

A woman at a pre-election MAGA rally was asked why she was voting for Trump. Her answer, he was 'authentic'. Now I am not sure if she meant his fake tan, his bird nest hair, his religious beliefs or his sincerity. Authentic! There you have it.

I know what can you do when women wobt behave as you want them to.

Dickens

Babs03

...But Starmer and Lanmy need to apologise??

Boris Johnson once made a damning observation about Trump - quite rude in fact - which ended (I can't remember the exact phrase) with the conclusion that Trump was not fit to be President.

I wonder if the same people who expect Starmer and Lammy to apologise also asked the same of Johnson?

Johnson not in Government anymore. These two are, unfortunately.

As was said on the politics show it wasn't just Starmer and Lammy making insulting comments about Trump, most European leaders have said something at some point about him, none of it complimentary, am wondering if one big apology by email with all the leaders and related ministers signatures, including his own VC would be acceptable.
And in the spirit of apology perhaps Trump could apologise to all the world leaders or associated ministers/colleagues he has insulted over the years, including Sadiq Khan.
I imagine his email will be lengthier.

Correction - his own VP not VC

I’m wondering if I’m missing something critical as his leadership obviously appeals to some. Just out of interest which of his policies do you support and are you not even a little concerned that an inarticulate, felon, misogynist, racist weirdo is the leader and role model for democracy? I fear for the future of the planet and that my children and grandchildren have to live amongst this geo political madness.

LizzieDrip

Today bullying and evil have won.

Name-calling; lack of empathy; shouting louder than your opponent; humiliate; be-little; lie; break the law… all these have been legitimised today.

God help the world. And God help the young women of America.

Putin will certainly be celebrating!

TDS at its finest. Have you actually seen any of the campaigning? Plenty of name calling, lack of empathy etc has come from the Harris campaign (the absurd Hilter claim time after time after time). Lying? You’ve been lied to for so long about Bidens mental capacity by Harris and her party but it was only the office of POTUS so what harm can a weak leader do (apart from say allowing a Russian invasion of the Ukraine)? Beyond astonishing. Unfortunately some people seem to believe everything they see clipped up in the MSM (the claims there will be a bloodbath if he loses when he was talking about the auto industry) or read in the right wing despising Guardian. They call Trump the misogynist while all the while removing women’s safe spaces and allowing Trans to compete against women in sports. Everyone wants equal rights for Trans but when it infringes on women’s rights the line should be drawn (though obviously not according to the Dems).

There are so many areas where the left on both sides of the Atlantic gaslight their way through but now thanks to Social Media people can see the hypocrisy so easily and the arrogance of people claiming millions of Americans thinking they know better is astonishing and I think says more about them than those Americans who have seen through the biased - as witnessed by their reactions to the Trump victory - legacy media.

@Mt61
You seem to be a supporter of Trump so am curious, what are his actual policies and how do you suppose he will implement them with regard to funding etc?

Wow! Mt61 I couldn’t have put it better myself. How refreshing to see a post that doesn’t have any vitriol and name-calling.

Freya5

Dickens

Babs03

...But Starmer and Lanmy need to apologise??

Boris Johnson once made a damning observation about Trump - quite rude in fact - which ended (I can't remember the exact phrase) with the conclusion that Trump was not fit to be President.

I wonder if the same people who expect Starmer and Lammy to apologise also asked the same of Johnson?

Johnson not in Government anymore. These two are, unfortunately.

Johnson not in Government anymore

Missing the point somewhat.

Which is whether those same people calling for Starmer and Lammy to apologise also suggested that Johnson did the same when he was in government.

In other words, it's about the impartiality of those calling for an apology. Not the politicians involved in the name-calling.

Anybody else wondering how long it will take for Trump and Musk to fall out? Two egos the size of planets, in one little Oval Office. Could be fireworks.

Maremia

Anybody else wondering how long it will take for Trump and Musk to fall out? Two egos the size of planets, in one little Oval Office. Could be fireworks.

I imagine that POTUS will want to keep Elon Musk on side, his multi billion dollar business employs 1,000’s and I imagine is good for the GDP of USA .

What has been said is on record and can’t be changed, all polititians get that sort of flack, it bounces off, coming from European leaders just means he is less disposed to us, so don’t expect any favours. Polititians should know when to keep heir mouths shut, but that’s not in the nature of them, they have to play to the audience.

The US voters have made their decision, Trump with all his failings is a better prospect than Harris with all her liberal policies. It wasn’t a marginal choice it was a resounding victory. Although Republicans control both houses Trump does not get a free run there are plenty of his own party who are moderates and would have preferred someone else

Musk is interesting, he gets things done, as Minister
of Technology he could really turbocharge the US economy.

David49 it’s just a very bad optic again for Labour - so against any involvement from Elon Musk recently. How ridiculous is our government?

ronib

David49 it’s just a very bad optic again for Labour - so against any involvement from Elon Musk recently. How ridiculous is our government?

How ridiculous is our government?

Ridiculous - for not calling out the richest man on the planet who used the power that gives him to attempt to malign it by stating on his platform - read by at least 250 million active users - that the government was releasing paedophiles from prison in order to lock up those who'd commented on social media; and who insisted that civil-war was inevitable in the UK.

Musk is a very rich and therefore very powerful man - so, what - we should all prostrate ourselves before him? Allow him carte-blanche to do and say what he likes?

Power itself isn't inherently corrupt - that corruption depends on the tendencies and motivation of the individual, and we have a right to question both - in Musk and Trump.

If you want a world governed by very very rich and powerful men who appear to believe they are absolved from having to obey laws; or the responsibility for what they say or do; who are prepared absolutely to ignore any societal rules; foment trouble where and when it suits - then go for it. Such men can and do become tyrants as any study of history will show, so don't expect everyone to lie down with you in awe.

I think the government, or more specifically, the business secretary, was cowardly for hiding behind the 'not-going-to-comment' trope that politicians use when they lack the courage to speak what they see as the truth, or they can't / won't articulate it for political reasons.

Both Musk and Trump cause division, and they do it deliberately - because they can. They are trouble-makers, protected by their wealth and the power it gives them. Stirring the pot, setting one demographic against the other to suit their agenda, does not make the world a better, nor a safer place.

well said Dickens.. and they will now have enormous AI power.. a rather terrifying prospect

I hadn’t realised that Musk had always been a democrat supporter but the party had totally blanked him. A bad tactical move it seems in retrospect, although I can understand why they did so. And on the TRIP live show ( which I couldn’t face watching at the time but listened to it yesterday) it pointed out that Harris should have agreed to do the podcast that Trump did. The man who did the podcast ( Rogan?) actually dislikes Trump but is a great friend of Musks and he is a great influencer of young men. Another tactical error showing a lack of connection with the electorate. I also wonder if Harris focussed on abortion rights and women’s safety but she ignored the fact that many women feel threatened by trans issues. That they feel they can control if they get pregnant or not but feel their personal space is being threatened?

Dickens my son pointed out that Musk will happily use lithium mined in Nigeria by very young children without any concern for consequences. My son said that is how we let rich men become even richer.
What really troubles me is that the world has gone entirely mad. So in the face of madness, what can the UK do? Refusing to engage with Musk is not the brightest idea?

Well said Dickens.

I have wondered what Maremia said above how long the relationship between Musk and Trump can last. I can't think of anyone with such great power lasting alongside Trump for long?

Musk, Rogan and even Trump were all Democrats at one stage.

Search out of pure curiosity:

"Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987; since that time, he has changed his party affiliation five times.

In 1999, he changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York.

In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic.

In September 2009, he changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party.

In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent).

In April 2012, he again returned to the Republican Party.[4]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump#:~:text=In%20August%202001%2C%20Trump%20changed,returned%20to%20the%20Republican%20Party.