Labour caves in to Union demands

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Easy Jet Pilot £43-£85 K

Major Airline (long haul) up to £140 K

Train Driver £45 - £87 K

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13750091/strike-wage-bump-train-drivers.html

British train driver salaries, which are the highest in Europe, far surpass averages for roles such as: an Army officer (£27,273-£42,009), nurse (£27,055-£40,588), firefighter (£24,191-£32,244) and air traffic control officer (£18,001-£43,469).

www.telegraph.co.uk/money/jobs/career-advice/people-become-train-driver-87k-salary-love-working-alone/

The article[i will find it] listed what traindrivers have to do. It wasnt a lot compared to other jobs!

Boz

I'm fine with the decision to pay the traindrivers and driver-only trains was wrong. Have you any idea how much Airline pilots are paid? Carrying a lot of passengers is a big responsibility.

I saw somewhere a list of what other professions are paid.

I think traindrivers are overpaid by a lot.

Well, bully for Labour. It is, after all, supposed to be the workers' party, and your junior doctors are grossly underpaid.

Boz

I'm fine with the decision to pay the traindrivers and driver-only trains was wrong. Have you any idea how much Airline pilots are paid? Carrying a lot of passengers is a big responsibility.

Comparing a Train Driver to a Pilot?

A train driver goes along on tracks, observing trackside lights/directives.

A Pilot is 35,000 feet in the air, has to be constantly aware of the space, height, weather conditions etc. etc. …

I'm fine with the decision to pay the traindrivers and driver-only trains was wrong. Have you any idea how much Airline pilots are paid? Carrying a lot of passengers is a big responsibility.

Luckygirl3

Junior doctors, trained by the UK in the UK have been leaving the service for years because their pay and working conditions have been so bad. Whilst at the same time ignoring this problem, the Tories have been denigrating and trying to limit the very immigrants who now dedicate their lives to running the health service in our clinics and hospitals.

Were Labour to do nothing? .... to let the situation continue as their predecessors had?

I think you'll find it's "helping run," not running.!!!

What should they have done? Allowed everyone to just strike?

(Junior doctor pay)

I think its a case by case question Oreo.

TbhI wish they hadn’t got off the blocks but the reality is that they’ve dived off it too fast.They need to take time to reflect.

This situation was inherited from the Tory government.
That’s all there is to say really unless you are a bash the Labour government before they can get off the blocks kind of person.

Wyllow3

(my emoji was addressed to Luckygirl3.)

Given that they had lost 35% in real terms on their incomes, I believe the just over 10% over 2 years was fair for the junior doctors.

Everybody has lost big percentages in real terms.

Wyllow3

I'm staying on topic because throwing in a "list" off on other topics - all perfectly valid in an appropriate thread and indeed covered in GN - often means the topic to hand is lost.

In terms of conditions at work please can you be specific as to "outdated working practices", which group are you referring to, as working conditions have actually been a key feature of some disputes and discussions, ie the difference between updating working practices versus "updating" to where it becomes dangerous as in the LNER dispute.

The money for these pay awards has to be garnered from somewhere - I was merely asking why pensioners are targeted and not those who are paid much higher benefits.

twinnytwin

Why have Labour not negotiated a change to working practices along side the pay increases? Now all the unions will be expecting huge rises to be automatic. And who's going to be suffering due to strikes and paying for it all I wonder? The customers and taxpayers of course. The voters have been taken for fools in my opinion. Labour planned to do this all along, but couldn't tell us as they'd never have won the election.

One of the working practices that the Conservative Govt wanted to impose on the rail workers was driver only trains. I am very, very glad that this new Government is not insisting on that practice.

(my emoji was addressed to Luckygirl3.)

Given that they had lost 35% in real terms on their incomes, I believe the just over 10% over 2 years was fair for the junior doctors.

The Chancellor was interviewed this week; she would not answer the question, posed three times, regarding funding of the pay awards made. There were to be 're adjustments' etc. We all know what they will be; train fares will go up yet again and the hapless commuter will be hit even harder, and the scrapped winter fuel allowance together with the proposed tax on pensions will no doubt boost the coffers.

twinnytwin

This thread isn't another one about causing of inflation - it's about Labour caving into their union paymasters within such a short time in power with nothing in return.

The very first post following the opening post talked about these pay deals leading to inflation.

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Wyllow3

surely the key point is to ask, "

if the conservatives had come back in, what would have happened with the strikes would they have just conveniently disappeared as som seem to suggest?

The answer would have had to be "more, and fierce", and very damaging - and at some point had to be addressed.

Yet Labour get down to it asap and just get mud slung.

They get down to it by giving huge pay increases which aren’t always warranted.

Junior doctors, trained by the UK in the UK have been leaving the service for years because their pay and working conditions have been so bad. Whilst at the same time ignoring this problem, the Tories have been denigrating and trying to limit the very immigrants who now dedicate their lives to running the health service in our clinics and hospitals.

Were Labour to do nothing? .... to let the situation continue as their predecessors had?