Manchester Airport Assault

tickingbird :

sorry, I should have been clearer, the speculation reference was on

"As for their mother being racially abused by the man on the plane - hardly likely seeing as it would have been full of Pakistani people."

Andy Burnham an hour ago

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XApgb47_c7k

"everyone thinks they know everything about it, sadly they dont." He doesn't dodge the issues.

Merion

Greater Manchester Police are asking for information and witness saying:

^The first incident is an altercation between passengers from Qatar Airways flight QR023, which arrived at 7.20pm. The altercation may have taken place during the flight or afterwards in the T2 baggage hall. ^

Family and we have been on Qatar Airways flights to and from Doha and never encountered any trouble; why on earth someone would be subjected to racial abuse on an international flight like, with many nationalities travelling together, is bemusing.

Certainly the flight crew would or should have dealt with it promptly.

Wyllow3

tickingbird :

sorry, I should have been clearer, the speculation reference was on

"As for their mother being racially abused by the man on the plane - hardly likely seeing as it would have been full of Pakistani people."

Why Pakistani prople?
There are usually all nationalities on international flights.
Doha Airport is a hub

Callistemon
Why Pakistani prople?
There are usually all nationalities on international flights.
Doha Airport is a hub

The news report I saw stated the plane had arrived from Pakistan!

tickingbird

Callistemon
Why Pakistani prople?
There are usually all nationalities on international flights.
Doha Airport is a hub

The news report I saw stated the plane had arrived from Pakistan!

I thought via Doha where they would transit.

Perhaps I'm wrong.

The flight was Qatar Airways flight QR023 from Doha to Manchester.

There’s a lot of speculation about what happened. People cooped up in the tight space of an airplance cabin for hours on end. Tempers fray. It sounds like whatever happened onboard continued/spilled to the arrivals area but if it were that serious how did the family make it as far as the car park ticketing area before the police involvement we see on the videos?

As AB says, let the authorities do their jobs now. Anderson and Tice are stoking the fire and need to butt out.

Time for the Office of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards to step in.

www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-financial-interests/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/meet-the-commissioner/

I have watched the latest video and I see two extremely violent young men, one resisting arrest and one attempting to prevent an arrest. Neither attempted to flee, both immediately violently attacked the police attempting to execute a lawful arrest.
I hope that the authority of the police is upheld.

tickingbird

Callistemon
Why Pakistani prople?
There are usually all nationalities on international flights.
Doha Airport is a hub

The news report I saw stated the plane had arrived from Pakistan!

Sorry, perhaps it was a direct flight.
We've always had to transit there.

Callistemon

Sorry, perhaps it was a direct flight.
We've always had to transit there.

Not a problem. Maybe the news I heard got it wrong but that’s the only reason I thought it was mainly Pakistani passengers.

Either way what happened on the plane has obviously spilled onto the ground and there’s been an incident and this has resulted in the police getting involved.

This is in no way the fault of the police as some seem to be implying.

I believe one of the police officers was armed and they did not want these men getting hold of the gun

Out there on SM and to some extent MM, by the public and MP's and pundits, and on anti-police demonstrations:

people are making it into "sides", which I deplore, because it's fanning the flames and divisive:

Whereas I suspect it was rapidly a very messy situation where actions either intended or not, ended up with the videos that we have seen (and much evidence we have not)

And until its unpicked, criminal and consequences can't be fully attributed, although the kick and the violence of the young man in blue have been already recognised and being addressed.

And until its unpicked, criminal and consequences can't be fully attributed, although the kick and the violence of the young man in blue have been already recognised and being addressed.

It wasn’t just the man in blue. His brother was just as bad but he was attacking a male officer who eventually tasered him and he fell back onto a bench. Boy blue was laying into two females and when they were dealt with he launched himself onto the officer being attacked by his brother and gets him in a choke hold. He gets tasered and falls to the ground taking the male officer with him. That same male officer that’s been attacked by both brothers gets up and kicks him.

It’s very important to realise what you’re seeing.

It is tickingbird. You have recounted it well.

I haven't seen any report of injuries on the two men concerned.
Except of course the cyst.
Would they not have had some more visible signs?

As for sides, why not broaden out the focus, and as why did they not heed the Police when first asked?

Good summary tickingbird

Why did these two brothers attack the police rather than co-operate. We are told 4 men were arrested which suggests some kind of fracas before they left for the car park. It’s a strange way to ‘protect’ your mother

Whitewavemark2

Merion

Greater Manchester Police are asking for information and witness saying:

^The first incident is an altercation between passengers from Qatar Airways flight QR023, which arrived at 7.20pm. The altercation may have taken place during the flight or afterwards in the T2 baggage hall. ^

The BBC said that the initial incident began on the plane because the mother was subjected to racial abuse.

Sadly this happens frequently. Something not adding up here.

Why would any intelligent individual attack an armed police officer?

If this had happened in USA or mainland Europe they would in all probability have been shot and killed…

I don't think thats particularly helpful really.

Cadeby

I don't think thats particularly helpful really.

You might not however, it’s a valid point.

It is a valid point.

Blackbelt barrister gives a neutral frame by frame account of the longer video. He makes no comment but just describes the action as seen. He is an expert in the field. Worth a watch

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoJi70NbL4U

GrannyGravy13

Cadeby

I don't think thats particularly helpful really.

You might not however, it’s a valid point.

I suppose Sarah Everard was an intelligent individual.

Cadeby not comparable on any level.

I’ve been travelling all day but had Sky News on before we left Why on earth were they discussing what Lee Anderson had said? Why do Reform seem to be asked their opinion about everything. I don’t recall other minority parties being asked their opinion on everything on what seems to be a daily basis. Andy Burningham seemed quite irritated by it ( and so he should be).

Cadeby
What’s not adding up?
Mother tells her sons she has been verbally abused on the plane.
Mother meets sons in Starbucks where she points out the man who abused her.
The sons threaten the man.
Family walk to the parking ticket machine.
At the same time the abuser has called the police and given a description of the sons and their mother.
We all know what happened next.