Farage shows his true colours

the political posturing on here is embarrassingly
ill informed, naive, belligerent,
well said
ronib
and others,
plus, had Trump still been in charge,
not one Russian tank would have left
its station, let alone invade,
for whatever reason,
spurious or otherwise

Goodness if I lived in a country bordering Russia I'd want the protection of being part of NATO. Putin made his plans quite clear when he illegally annexed Crimea in 2014. Farage is an idiot.

Chestnut

Casdon

If Galloway were to make such a dangerous statement in a TV interview he would also rightly be castigated by the media Chestnut. As far as I’m aware Galloway has no supporters on Gransnet, so I doubt anybody would be defending what he said. As it is, Galloway has a minimal public profile, I haven’t heard anything he’s said about this election so far?

I watched a Party Political Broadcast by Galloway on the BBC and the first half was all about Gaza. More about that here:
Galloway Party Political Broadcast
So Farage doesn't bother me in the least, when we have much more dangerous people hovering in the shadows.

Galloway is going nowhere, he has little media profile. An election broadcast is obligatory for registered political parties, but I would be amazed if he gets any MPs. He only has 728,000 followers on X, Farage has 1.9 million. That tells me who people are paying attention to. I think when it reaches the point that he has made front page headlines and all the media is condemning what he has said, even the most ardent Farage supporter should be bothered.

I think that Farage is right in that some of the countries adjacent to Russia's borders have expressed a wish to join the EU and/or NATO. Neither of those two organisations, however, have asked the countries to join them.

What Farage hasn't recognised is the madness of Putin and his desire to expand the Russian borders to it's heyday. By the end of the 19thC Russia extended to the Black and Baltic Seas and the Pacific Ocean. Putin has used the reasonable requests from his neighbours to join the EU and NATO as an excuse to tell his countrymen that Russia is under attack and also to attack Ukraine.

On another note, Farage seems to think that by increasing the PA to £20k there would be savings in benefits which would help to pay for the refunds. He is still talking in percentage terms which he clearly doesn't understand which suggests to me that he would not be very good at running the country.

No he didn’t! This is being misreported right, left and centre. He is not a Putin ally but merely pointed out what many have been saying for some time which is that suggesting Ukraine join NATO and talk of EU membership for them were red flags to Moscow.

Casdon

If Galloway were to make such a dangerous statement in a TV interview he would also rightly be castigated by the media Chestnut. As far as I’m aware Galloway has no supporters on Gransnet, so I doubt anybody would be defending what he said. As it is, Galloway has a minimal public profile, I haven’t heard anything he’s said about this election so far?

I watched a Party Political Broadcast by Galloway on the BBC and the first half was all about Gaza. More about that here:
Galloway Party Political Broadcast
So Farage doesn't bother me in the least, when we have much more dangerous people hovering in the shadows.

Wyllow3

Many Western leaders and think tanks predicted further Russian action after Georgia, Chechnya, and the 2014 invasion of Crimea in Ukraine.

Farage is claiming that he only he saw what was coming through his "special knowledge". All self serving rhetoric.

Yes

If Galloway were to make such a dangerous statement in a TV interview he would also rightly be castigated by the media Chestnut. As far as I’m aware Galloway has no supporters on Gransnet, so I doubt anybody would be defending what he said. As it is, Galloway has a minimal public profile, I haven’t heard anything he’s said about this election so far?

The conspiracy theorists are out in full swing. Anyone who is not a leftie must be a dangerous traitor.

It's clear that people are scared of Farage but you need to be much more fearful of Galloway and his cronies. They are gathering momentum and forming a party. The local election gave us a possible glimpse of where that is heading.

So maybe we should have another thread about Galloway and see if there is as much hatred shown towards him.

PoorJenny

I have voted for Farage as he knows exactly what he is talking about.

well unless you have a postal vote in Clacton, this is untrue

Cut Farage in half and he will have Trump written right through him.

He is dangerous and extremely unpleasant.

poke a bear with a stick and he will turn on you. Farage is right

I’m surprised at his naivety in actually saying his thoughts out loud. It’s headline news, he’s been widely condemned including by the right wing press, and it won’t do him any favours in the election at all.

Many Western leaders and think tanks predicted further Russian action after Georgia, Chechnya, and the 2014 invasion of Crimea in Ukraine.

Farage is claiming that he only he saw what was coming through his "special knowledge". All self serving rhetoric.

Able to sway gullible folk by his rhetoric.

Dangerous man. Able to sway folk with dubious rhetoric.

Have any of you watched the interview?

What he said was President Putin has used the excuse of NATO & EU expansion to tell the Russian population, they are coming for us

He also said that he warned the European Parliament 10 years ago that Putin wanted a war with Europe.

I will not be voting Reform or Greens, not sure who will get my X

Meanwhile Farage's buddy Trump is making completely contradictory statements, one moment saying he'd stop aid to Ukraine, and other that Ukraine's survival is important to the US.

(If you google "Trump on Ukraine" you can find many of these contra dictionary statements.

I think Farage should actually say what he would do.

What I cant find anywhere is what Farage is actually suggesting we do - pull out of support? Just like with his policy of "returning the small boats at sea" he gives POV

but doesn't actually say any "how" policy wise

I agree, MaizieD. I read the article carefully and can see that Russia wouldn't want more nations to join NATO from their POV but that is not an excuse

- those nations have every right to self determination just as the Ukraine does.

The Telegraph this morning said

"Nigel Farage has just proven that he’s not a serious leader
The Reform head is naive at best. It was Western weakness, not Nato expansion, that encouraged Russia to invade Ukraine"

petra

Farage isn’t the only person blaming the eu and nato.
This article in the Guardian might explain to some who can’t get past their hatred of Farage to see that there is some truth in what he said.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine

I don't quite know why, petra, but somehow I'm deeply suspicious of anything promulgated by the Cato Institute. aControlled by far right libertarian billionaires...

The Guardian doesn't necessarily endorse all the views it publishes. It leaves it to its readers to make their own judgements.

Citing a 40yr + old agreement with a Russian leader of a completely different calibre and geopolitical outlook from Putin doesn't convince me that Putin had any right to invade Ukraine or take control of any former Soviet Union countries.

Some people here see conspiracy theories everywhere! So you think anyone who isn't left or hard left is a traitor. 😂

Of course all the other leaders make perfect sense and have all the answers.

I read that NF was at a venue the other night that held 850 and it was full and turning people away.

I watched the interview.

I found it interesting, as did Nigel in reply to many of Nick Robinson’s questions. “That’s interesting” was his starter for most of his answers. Gave him a breathing space to retaliate.

Say what you like, he made a more watchable interviewee than some of the others.

And he made some valid points.

I have voted for Farage as he knows exactly what he is talking about.