Is Islamophobia In Europe A Growing Concern?

I think "Stop haranguing another poster." is good advice. It's a nasty device to create a descent into just attacking personally instead of putting forward a thoughtful POV.

However there is a red line which crosses GN guidelines, and racism is one of them.

On here, asserting that because a small minority of a group do X or Y, they are supported by all of that group.

Non muslims on the GN board do not all think the same and we express a huge variety of political and cultural POV but we don't get "Tarred with the same brush", which is what some posters continually try to do with Muslims.

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Nicenanny3

Give it a rest keep reporting posters because they don't agree with you let posts stand. I agree with 13:21Rondoallaturc actually and probably a lot more posters do as well but are too timid to face the serial posters on here.

As I claimed, Islamophobia is rife. Why not just admit it?

Rondoallaturc

Growstuff. Why can you not be more precise. Are you saying that a variety of men from totally different cultural backgrounds are guilty of these despicable acts of violence against women. Did you not see the mugshots broadcast on the BBC and ITV news? Why be afraid of the facts to the extent of attempting to have a post deleted that represents nothing but the truth. Surely it is better to have the truth out there than to shroud yourself in misconception then stifle democracy and measured free speech through the reporting facility, especially when I read the thoughts of a growing number of like-minded rational people

Yes. What do Epstein and the grooming gangs have in common?

Why am I not surprised that you agree?

Give it a rest keep reporting posters because they don't agree with you let posts stand. I agree with 13:21Rondoallaturc actually and probably a lot more posters do as well but are too timid to face the serial posters on here.

Rondoallaturc

Growstuff. Why can you not be more precise. Are you saying that a variety of men from totally different cultural backgrounds are guilty of these despicable acts of violence against women. Did you not see the mugshots broadcast on the BBC and ITV news? Why be afraid of the facts to the extent of attempting to have a post deleted that represents nothing but the truth. Surely it is better to have the truth out there than to shroud yourself in misconception then stifle democracy and measured free speech through the reporting facility, especially when I read the thoughts of a growing number of like-minded rational people

Stop haranguing another poster.

Thank Goodness some shred of decency remains .

I have reported that racist post as well.

Growstuff. Why can you not be more precise. Are you saying that a variety of men from totally different cultural backgrounds are guilty of these despicable acts of violence against women. Did you not see the mugshots broadcast on the BBC and ITV news? Why be afraid of the facts to the extent of attempting to have a post deleted that represents nothing but the truth. Surely it is better to have the truth out there than to shroud yourself in misconception then stifle democracy and measured free speech through the reporting facility, especially when I read the thoughts of a growing number of like-minded rational people

The posts appalled me. Thank you.
Hate mongering, conflating ordinary Muslims who work and live alongside us, worship without hatred,
with a small number of more extreme views.

"All muslims are this, "all Mosques are that".

Surely if we seek peace, we do not seek to inflame and accuse constantly. Security against any group who use terror tactics is of course valid. But we forget - how many muslims perished in 9/11 and London 2005.

Please read this.
It is a gathering in 2005 organised by the BMA

*A multifaith service in memory of the people who died in the bombings on 7 July in London was held on 21 July in the courtyard of BMA House.

As well as staff from the BMA and the BMJ Publishing Group, in attendance were family members of some of the victims and the doctors, emergency service workers, and police who had dealt with the immediate aftermath of the explosion aboard the number 30 bus outside BMA House.

Religious leaders from several faiths led the prayers, and Adama Ndong, muslim chaplain to St Mary's Hospital and the Royal Free Hospital, read a verse from the Koran*

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181284/

Katie590

zakouma66

Katie590

Vintagewhine

I was expressing an opinion that there are many reasons for terrorism and challenging your simplistic view that terrorism can be overcome by "moderate" Muslims telling "extremists" to stop. Muslims are not one homogeneous group and the vast majority of Muslim people have no influence over terrorists.

Many young Muslims like Shamina Begum were radicalized in the Mosques in the UK the “moderates” must have known it was happening yet did nothing to stop it until hundreds of young British Muslims had travelled to Syria, many of whom died.
So I don’t accept that extremists are separate.

Do you attend a mosque? Are you fluent in Arabic? How are you so sure of your facts please.

Why do I need to be fluent in Arabic to see the death and devastation caused by Islamic extremists

Maybe you would then understand what is actually being said.

My daughter's father-in-law attends the same mosque as the Manchester bomber occasionally did. Hindsight is wonderful. After the event, apparently some people said that they'd noticed he was a troubled young man, but none of them had any idea what he was planning.

If you don't accept that extremists are separate, maybe you should find out what you're talking about.

Iam64 The one common denominator is men.

Incidentally, it's not "far left" to support Muslim extremism, with its intolerance of others and attitude towards women and gays.

What some people don't seem to understand is that many Muslims hate extremists too. Islam itself is a religion and, like just about every mass religion, is interpreted differently by its various followers.

PS. The idea that I'm "far left" is laughable .

I'm glad it's been reported. It's racist and I'm going to report it too.

I also reported the post after posting my response .

I agree Iam. I have just read the post and reported it,

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zakouma66

Katie590

Vintagewhine

I was expressing an opinion that there are many reasons for terrorism and challenging your simplistic view that terrorism can be overcome by "moderate" Muslims telling "extremists" to stop. Muslims are not one homogeneous group and the vast majority of Muslim people have no influence over terrorists.

Many young Muslims like Shamina Begum were radicalized in the Mosques in the UK the “moderates” must have known it was happening yet did nothing to stop it until hundreds of young British Muslims had travelled to Syria, many of whom died.
So I don’t accept that extremists are separate.

Do you attend a mosque? Are you fluent in Arabic? How are you so sure of your facts please.

Why do I need to be fluent in Arabic to see the death and devastation caused by Islamic extremists

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Katie590

Vintagewhine

I was expressing an opinion that there are many reasons for terrorism and challenging your simplistic view that terrorism can be overcome by "moderate" Muslims telling "extremists" to stop. Muslims are not one homogeneous group and the vast majority of Muslim people have no influence over terrorists.

Many young Muslims like Shamina Begum were radicalized in the Mosques in the UK the “moderates” must have known it was happening yet did nothing to stop it until hundreds of young British Muslims had travelled to Syria, many of whom died.
So I don’t accept that extremists are separate.

Do you attend a mosque? Are you fluent in Arabic? How are you so sure of your facts please.

Iam64

GrannyGravy13 - I’ll be surprised if you don’t fall in love with Ireland.

I loved Dublin and the surrounding countryside 💚

Nor were all the massive bollards around London and airports. These have appeared over the last few years, way after the restrictions on aeroplanes.
There seem to be more bollards every time I visit London, and the bollards around airports have recently been extended to cover a much larger area.

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M0nica

maddyone

Wrong Monica.

The allowance of 100 mls of liquid when flying was introduced after a threatened Islamic terror attack, which was going to be carried out on an aeroplane.

The introduction of taking off shoes when flying was introduced after a different threatened terror attack where an Islamic terrorist tried to carry a bomb on to a plane in the heel of his shoe.

The number of bollards we see in London have grown phenomenally since various attempted Islamic terror attacks have occurred, including some terror attacks that succeeded. For example, there are bollards all down Westminster Bridge now, along with bollards everywhere in the area of government.

The same applies to the bollards outside airports because some Islamic terrorists drove a big four wheel drive vehicle into Glasgow airport.

And another Islamic terrorist drove a car along one of the bridges in London, killing and injuring several people.

Theses precautions have everything to do with Islamic terrorism.

mmaddyone Perhaps I should have said These measures were first introduced to deal with Irish terrorism. Having started with the irish they have then, since then gradually been tightened to deal with terrorism from other sources, including Islamic terrorism.

I was an army brat and grew up on army bases in the 1950s and 60s when security around them was merely a 6 foot wire fence and where the army quarters where we lived was just a normal street turning with nothing beyond its name 'Ordnance Road' to link it to the military.

It was in the 1970s that all of a sudden security around army bases was majorly upgraded. Tall double fences, barbed wire and surveillance equipment were put in. The quarters complex now lies behind this double fence with entry via the guard post. many other security measures were introduced to protect security sites and protect policemen and forces members and their families

This was all done in response to irish terrorism. With the growth of terrorism of all kinds world wide, measures to respond to terrorism have grown because terrorism of all kinds has become more common.

You may only have noticed the ones that directly affect you when flying, but the measures to respond to terrorism started as a response to Irish terrorism and developed as terrorist tactics developed.

I now live just a few miles from one of my father's longest postings and drive past the end of the road we used to live in frequently. But in the nearly 30 years we have lived here, I have never been able to just turn up it and drive past where we used to live bcause of the double fence and other protective measures which have been there now for 50 years or more.

The security on planes was not to do with IRA terrorism. It was as a result of British intelligence discovering plots by Al Qaeda to carry explosives in drinks bottles on to planes.

Many of us remember the heightened security measures during the years of the IRA bomb attacks but such restrictions on planes were not introduced then.