Aid for Gaza

It's also very strange to call Hamas a terrorist organisation then blame them for the way Gaza is governed

Why strange?

Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.
Hamas has been designated a terrorist organisation by the UK, USA, EU and other countries.

Callistemon21

^It's also very strange to call Hamas a terrorist organisation then blame them for the way Gaza is governed^

Why strange?

Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.
Hamas has been designated a terrorist organisation by the UK, USA, EU and other countries.

Then there are two organisations.
The organisation responsible for the events of 7/10
And the government of Gaza/
One cannot be held responsible for the actions of the other.
Nor can the citizens of Gaza be held responsible for a terrorist action.
So the bombing of the citizens of Gaza is a war crime

Impossible to believe what is released from Gaza

Whitewavemark2

When this ends - and it will - memories of this period will be of the thousands upon thousands of children, killed, maimed, kidnapped and starved.

This will be remembered as a war on children.

Whitewave I’m surprised by your post. Of course this will be remembered as a war on children. Jewish children and Palestian children.
But it will also be remembered as an act of the worst terrorism in the world since 9/11.

Yet another post excusing Hamas by you Glorianny -

Iam64

Yet another post excusing Hamas by you Glorianny -

How am I "excusing Hamas"?
Did a terrorist organisation commit acts of atrocity on 7/10- Yes.
Are the citizens of Gaza responsible for those acts NO!
Even if you consider Hamas the government there has not been an election in Gaza since 2006. Which means anyone between the ages of 18 and 35 has never voted. Which means they have no responsibility for the government.
If you can't understand that any other way. Had the same situation happened in the UK Tony Blair (or his chosen successor ) would be in government. How many of you would like that?
This blaming of the people of Gaza is nothing less than trying to justify genocide. It is disgusting.

maddyone

Whitewavemark2

When this ends - and it will - memories of this period will be of the thousands upon thousands of children, killed, maimed, kidnapped and starved.

This will be remembered as a war on children.

Whitewave I’m surprised by your post. Of course this will be remembered as a war on children. Jewish children and Palestian children.
But it will also be remembered as an act of the worst terrorism in the world since 9/11.

When I say children, I assume that I don’t have to specify the religious faith which some of their parents follow.

I am talking about ALL children of all faiths and like myself - none. .

Yes it may be remembered for the outrage on Oct. 7th, but it that will simply be remembered as a continuum of the outrages that have gone before from the beginning of the last century, and millennium before.

What is different is the deliberate destruction of children. Humanity has reached a new low.

Who is blaming the people of Gaza? No one here so far as I’ve read. We need a political solution. That means change from both murderous extremes here

Iam64

Who is blaming the people of Gaza? No one here so far as I’ve read. We need a political solution. That means change from both murderous extremes here

Did you read this?
GrannyGravy13

The Israeli war cabinet have given Hamas an ultimatum release the hostages immediately or we will continue to attack

Makes sense to me, Hamas have to release all remaining hostages, to do so condemns more citizens of Gaza to injury, homelessness and possibly an untimely death.

(Source BBC and ITV morning news reports)

That's blaming the people of Gaza, who do not control Hamas.
But are to suffer the consequences apparently.

There are also posts where it's pointed out that Hamas are the government of Gaza. Apparently that also justifies killing its citizens.

All in attempts to somehow legitimise the actions of Israel.

glorianny

Netanyahu did not say that “release all hostages *or we will continue to attack*”

He said that the attack will resume on the 10th March whether the hostages are released or not.

Netanyahu has no intention of ceasing the carnage.

Israel did acknowledge the right of Gaza ‘to exist’ when they pulled out in 2005, including the forced eviction of every Jewish resident and the right of Palestinian Gazans to gainful employment in Israel.

Look how that turned out.

Urmstongran

Israel did acknowledge the right of Gaza ‘to exist’ when they pulled out in 2005, including the forced eviction of every Jewish resident and the right of Palestinian Gazans to gainful employment in Israel.

Look how that turned out.

When you say “pulled out” they were still the occupying power, because Gaza had no control over it land, sea or airspace.

It was/is unable to control its utilities.

It can’t control its borders.

It had no final control over goods entering Gaza.

The matter is once again before the UN court
www.theguardian.com/law/2024/feb/19/hearings-israel-occupation-palestine-international-court-of-justice#:~:text=In%20late%20January%20the%20ICJ.
They have ruled against Israel in the past. Ordering them to take down the West Bank wall in 2004. Israel never complies

Israeli government hasn’t complied with any of the ICJ rulings - so technically it is committing war crimes day after day.

The people of Israel deserve better.

Humanity has reached a new low

What is happening is terrible, but I’m afraid terrible as it is, worse has happened before. 1.5 million children were murdered during the holocaust. The world’s worst terrorist action murdered 3000 people in a couple of hours. Hundreds of thousands of children were murdered or killed during the Cambodian war by the Khmer Rouge and during the Vietnamese war, not to mention the millions of adults murdered and killed. Then we have the Bosnian war in the 90s, the Rwandan civil war, and the current war in Ukraine. And countless others.
The situation in Gaza is horrible and deplorable. However it is not plumbing new depths of depravity, it is sadly following a well worn horrible path of war.

Whitewavemark2

When this ends - and it will - memories of this period will be of the thousands upon thousands of children, killed, maimed, kidnapped and starved.

This will be remembered as a war on children.

I do hope you are including all the babies and children murdered on purpose by hamas which sparked off this conflict?

And what will the war in Ukraine be remembered for? How many millions of people have been displaced, slaughtered, raped, and deliberately murdered there?
Will we remember the children of Ukraine murdered by Putin? Displaced all over the world by Putin? Driven out of their homeland by Putin?
It’s rarely mentioned now!

GrannyGravy13

The Israeli war cabinet have given Hamas an ultimatum release the hostages immediately or we will continue to attack

Makes sense to me, Hamas have to release all remaining hostages, to do so condemns more citizens of Gaza to injury, homelessness and possibly an untimely death.

(Source BBC and ITV morning news reports)

I have just got in (half term here) and noticed a typo this post of mine this morning, it should read

not to do so, condemns more citizens…

maddyone

And what will the war in Ukraine be remembered for? How many millions of people have been displaced, slaughtered, raped, and deliberately murdered there?
Will we remember the children of Ukraine murdered by Putin? Displaced all over the world by Putin? Driven out of their homeland by Putin?
It’s rarely mentioned now!

It hasn’t disappeared from my thoughts and prayers.

Whitewavemark2

maddyone

Whitewavemark2

When this ends - and it will - memories of this period will be of the thousands upon thousands of children, killed, maimed, kidnapped and starved.

This will be remembered as a war on children.

Whitewave I’m surprised by your post. Of course this will be remembered as a war on children. Jewish children and Palestian children.
But it will also be remembered as an act of the worst terrorism in the world since 9/11.

When I say children, I assume that I don’t have to specify the religious faith which some of their parents follow.

I am talking about ALL children of all faiths and like myself - none. .

Yes it may be remembered for the outrage on Oct. 7th, but it that will simply be remembered as a continuum of the outrages that have gone before from the beginning of the last century, and millennium before.

What is different is the deliberate destruction of children. Humanity has reached a new low.

Remember my post about those who do Israel down and support Palestine? One was about well meaning naive liberals.
They simply don’t get how terrible the atrocities were that day on October 7th by Gazans who had joined hamas and how many of them there are.
So you saying may be remembered is an outrage in itself tho I doubt you’ll even see that.

maddyone

And what will the war in Ukraine be remembered for? How many millions of people have been displaced, slaughtered, raped, and deliberately murdered there?
Will we remember the children of Ukraine murdered by Putin? Displaced all over the world by Putin? Driven out of their homeland by Putin?
It’s rarely mentioned now!

Putin is a monster and Ukraine needs all the help it can get, am hoping the US gets its act together soon.I read about the situation there every day and it’s dire!

Children have been deliberately targeted in war long before any of the conflicts mentioned above. The story of Moses in the Old Testament, to mention but one, is about the command by the Pharaoh to drown all male offspring of the Israelites to prevent them growing up to be powerful. There are hundreds of such stories throughout history. Humanity has not sunk to a new low. That low bar was already there.

Panorama BBC1 now broadcasting a programme about Hamas and its funding…

I watched it.
The amount of cash and goods that Gaza has received through hamas is staggering.Gaza should have been a small paradise.
In spite of all that it was spent by hamas on hamas and they never stopped sending missiles into Israel and suicide bombers.

I agree Oreo Hamas in whatever guise political or terrorist wing are an utter disgrace.