Will Israel comply to the ICJ ruling?

Given it’s total uselessness it probably should be disbanded now. It’s outserved it’s purpose.

GALAXY
If my words have no impact on you why are you responding ???
Your also right I don't understand your situation as I don't live in your boots , but I am happy to listen to different views even though they may not meet with mine that way we learn and gain understanding .

GALAXY , as for the chap from our footy club , he has died for his believes . You never know who lives amongst us .

I agree Maddyone the UN needs to go

Reading the posts concerning the UN, they appear all aimed at the UN Security Council, and it’s decline in relevance over the years, largely as a result of the widening ideological block, and increasing power between China/Russia and supporters v USA/Europe and supports.
The result is that the 5 veto bearing members - USA, Russia, U.K. France and China use their veto to prevent so many decisions being carried through. So if it’s primary purpose, is still to maintain world peace, then the UN has spectacularly failed.

But without doubt the UN has been successful in a number of areas - sustainable development goals is one that is working well, and the feeding and vaccination programmes have saved countless lives - I am sure that those who have benefited from its administrations do not think it is irrelevant. The climate change forum needs an agency at supranational level and the UN has provided valuable service in this area. The WHO has also been invaluable. The ICJ is another major success. The IMF - invaluable, ICAO - invaluable and vital. So many others which we forget about.

I do, however think that there is an urgent case however to look at the clear slowness and inefficiency, the need to have a much higher level of housekeeping and clear out corruption and cronyism (where have we heard that before?)- it certainly needs a root and branch overhaul.

But before we become gung-Ho demanding it’s sacking, we must think very carefully about what we are trashing. In my view if the UN didn’t exist it would have to be invented.

But before we become gung-Ho demanding it’s sacking, we must think very carefully about what we are trashing. In my view if the UN didn’t exist it would have to be invented.

Absolutely agree Whitewavemark2

Don’t forget that the first victim of war is truth.

WhiteWaveMark2
ActionAid doesn’t support your view of the IMF being invaluable
This article is from Oct 23.

actionaid.org/publications/2023/fifty-years-failure-imf-debt-and-austerity-africa

Whitewavemark2

Don’t forget that the first victim of war is truth.

And that brings us full circle to numbers of casualties.

maddyone

Whitewavemark2

Don’t forget that the first victim of war is truth.

And that brings us full circle to numbers of casualties.

And Israel v Palestinian “truth”

Of course had Israel not driven Palestinians from their homes and blockaded Gaza, controlling every aspect of life, so there was no possibility of it ever becoming self sufficient, never mind prosperous, there would have been no need for aid or UNWRA.

If people in the UK think the UN is useless imagine how someone growing up in Gaza must feel. A third or fourth generation refugee dependant on aid, seeing UN resolutions ignored time and time again by Israel. And that is why Hamas can recruit and will continue to do so.

Israeli v Hamas truth

The Israeli govt knew that money was being syphoned off the aid budgets back in 2019. Netanyahu said as much in a speech to Likud but saw it as an acceptable cost of strengthening Hamas so it was a balance to Fatah. I've posted this link on several occasions on different threads and it has never been challenged! This has been brought up now because of the latest UN ruling. As Hamas has been running many of the schools, hospitals, food programmes etc in Gaza, it's hardly surprising that some of the UNRWA employees have links with Hamas but it doesn't make UNRWA a corrupt organisation.

Netanyahu said or Netanyahu said as much ?

Given that the UNRWA was set up to help only Palestinians, it is unsurprising that there are individuals sympathetic to the Hamas cause.

However, I think caution must be exercised over the Israeli report, before coming to a definite conclusion.

Israel/Netanyahu has no wish to see the Palestinians supported in any way. Careful consideration must be given to their report, which no doubt has an element of truth but to jump from that to ceasing to support UNRWA seems exceedingly excessive, given the expected outcome if aid is no longer available to millions of Palestinians.

GrannyGravy13

I doubt very much that Hamas will comply with the ICJ and release the hostages.

That’s if they’re all still alive.

Jaberwok

Russia also committing war crimes by their illegal unprovoked attack on Ukraine, but international organisations aren't too bothered about that, only the hated Israel. No one else ever seems to incur any wrath with anyone at all, no matter how many laws they break or how heinous their crimes to humanity no one cares.

You’re right Jaberwok, always Israel I wonder why?

Glorianny

Of course had Israel not driven Palestinians from their homes and blockaded Gaza, controlling every aspect of life, so there was no possibility of it ever becoming self sufficient, never mind prosperous, there would have been no need for aid or UNWRA.

If people in the UK think the UN is useless imagine how someone growing up in Gaza must feel. A third or fourth generation refugee dependant on aid, seeing UN resolutions ignored time and time again by Israel. And that is why Hamas can recruit and will continue to do so.

Israel left Gaza in 2005 taking any settlers with them. Just imagine how prosperous Gaza would be and have been if Hamas hadn’t taken the money and built tunnels with it and bought arms.

What’s going on in this war is just appalling innocent civilians being killed, on both sides, every day.

For a total ceasefire BOTH sides need to agree and comply and Hammas are unlikely to agree nor to release their remaining hostages.

Whilst I do not support Hammas I support all races/ nationalities having a safe place to live and in this case neither “sides” are going to win.

It’s terribly sad.

Will Israel comply? I fear not.

silverlining48

To cut off funding for millions of sick and starving people because 12 people out of thousands who are working fir UNWRA were involved on 7 October is just wrong.
They have been sacked and being investigated so to stop
vital finding because of a handful who have been dealt with is immoral.

This! Yes!

Efs1

Glorianny

Of course had Israel not driven Palestinians from their homes and blockaded Gaza, controlling every aspect of life, so there was no possibility of it ever becoming self sufficient, never mind prosperous, there would have been no need for aid or UNWRA.

If people in the UK think the UN is useless imagine how someone growing up in Gaza must feel. A third or fourth generation refugee dependant on aid, seeing UN resolutions ignored time and time again by Israel. And that is why Hamas can recruit and will continue to do so.

Israel left Gaza in 2005 taking any settlers with them. Just imagine how prosperous Gaza would be and have been if Hamas hadn’t taken the money and built tunnels with it and bought arms.

The tunnels were built originally to help rebuild Gaza. At the rate Israel was permitting materials into the country after the last devastating bombing it was estimated that rebuilding would take 80 years. Even after leaving the country Israel controlled Gaza's access to power, water and food, meaning that the country was unable to develop economically. Access by land and sea was strictly controlled and Gaza was essentially a giant refugee camp dependant on supplies of aid to feed its people. You can't develop agriculture in the area when water is restricted. You can't develop manufacturing when power is restricted. You can't even fish when access to the sea is restricted. Israel isn't interested in a prosperous Gaza.

Spot on, Oreo

Efs1

Jaberwok

Russia also committing war crimes by their illegal unprovoked attack on Ukraine, but international organisations aren't too bothered about that, only the hated Israel. No one else ever seems to incur any wrath with anyone at all, no matter how many laws they break or how heinous their crimes to humanity no one cares.

You’re right Jaberwok, always Israel I wonder why?

You are so wrong!
The UN ruled on the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022, unfortunately just like Israel Russia ignored the ruling.
I hope you will condemn both countries for their total disregard of the UN
www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/un-general-assembly-demands-russian-federation-withdraw-all-military-forces-territory-ukraine_und_en#:~:text=The%20resolution%20%E2%80%9Cdeplores%20in%20the,

If we are comparing the Russian invasion and the Israeli invasion shouldn't we be supplying arms to both the invaded countries? Or are only one set of people entitled to fight an invader?

We don’t have to hate Jews, or Russians, to know that what is going on currently is appalling and a tragic waste of life on both sides.

I feel so sorry for the Palestinians, the normal average folk who’ve never had a sensible safe space to live in peacefully for many many many years! Go back and look historically.

I don’t support Hammas, any more than I support the IRS or the Taliban, nor am I antisemitic. War is an utterly tragic waste of life and we, the UK, should stop funding arms.

I agree the world appears to be more xenophobic, this isn’t limited to just the Jews!